MAILBAG! Is Fabric Ready? – Ep. 327
MAILBAG! Is Fabric Ready? - Ep.327 - Power BI tips is back with another episode of the Explicit Measures podcast—here are the highlights, links, and what’s coming next.
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Main Discussion
This mailbag episode tackles the question everyone keeps asking: is Microsoft Fabric actually ready for real production workloads? The team walks through how to evaluate readiness beyond marketing checklists—looking at workload fit, feature gaps, governance needs, and what your org considers “production-ready.”
Key points:
- Readiness is workload-specific (Lakehouse/warehouse vs. orchestration vs. downstream BI) and not a single yes/no.
- Avoid a big-bang migration—start with a pilot workload and define clear go/no-go criteria.
- Watch for the “missing middle”: CI/CD + environment promotion, deployment pipeline coverage, and repeatable configuration.
- Governance and admin realities (permissions, naming, ownership, support model) matter as much as features.
- Treat Fabric adoption as a program: roadmap, training, and operating model—not just a tool swap.
Looking Forward
If you’re planning a Fabric rollout, pick one high-value use case and run it end-to-end (ingest → model → report) with a real release process. The gaps you find there will tell you what needs to be solved before you scale.
Episode Transcript
0:32 good morning and welcome back to the explicit measures podcast with Tommy Seth and Mike good morning everyone welcome back good morning gentlemen happy happy Tuesday good morning guys starting off with a couple technical difficulties on our side so we are now officially live and going again so we’re going to jump in our main topic for today is going to be we’re going to just sit back we’ve seen fabric out for now a number of months we’ve gone through build and we’ve gone through the fabric conference so we’ve seen some Prett major announcements that come out from Microsoft I don’t think there’s going to
1:02 Microsoft I don’t think there’s going to be any new major announcements in the near term here all the major news I think has happened let’s stand back and say how do we feel about fabric so far does this feel production ready what pieces of it or if all of it is ready to go after we’ve we’ve hit GA now since November of last year I believe so we’re well at like seven months now and kind well at like seven months now and clipping along so can just of clipping along so can just give a a general feel is is fabric ready are you ready for real workloads inside fabric so that’s going be our main topic today before we do that let’s jump
1:34 today before we do that let’s jump into some news Tommy anything from the news that you found yeah so fabric again the blog post they’re going continuing to CH out the blog post there is a new Ultimate data Factory pipeline mind map and this is really the first version in a comprehensive guide designed to look at the Journey of a pipeline it’s a PDF I’m surprised they didn’t use that Azure mindmap tool that they have out there the interactive one but it’s a PDF that basically shows
2:05 one but it’s a PDF that basically shows all the features and the areas you we have questions about it’s pretty cool it looks definitely was made in Vio yes no question question so Vio is okay I think there’s honestly better tools out there you have to use what Microsoft provides to you the downside viio it’s not like an interactive visual you can go like zoom in zoom out on it’s just a PDF that comes out of it but what’s kind PDF that comes out of it but what’s in this mind map Tommy like I’m of in this mind map Tommy like I’m looking at it here I’m going through it and trying to figure out what are
2:36 and trying to figure out what are they doing with this what’s the point of this thing so it’s really just setting up your first actions and what you would where do you start in a pipeline it’s a very open canvas if you never used one before it can be a little intimidating so it really actually just goes through okay if you need to set up some data integration how to test the workload how do you set up a pipeline across workspaces and then it goes through basically what you be your decision tree so to speak so it’s it’s not bad the get
3:09 speak so it’s it’s not bad the get integration and basically they it’s definitely a first version because I don’t think there’s any links I there are links so if you actually look at the the tree it says Hey CDI CD report get integration okay now what fabric blog which you can then click on and then go to the relevant article that talks about that that feature interesting I feel like this is a this would be a great opportunity for like a community built something cuz I feel like a lot of the the routes and channels on this one are
3:42 channels on this one are interesting but I feel like there’s a lot lot more I feel like I would like a lot more subsections on them because it talks about like sections here like data flow Gen 2 versus pipelines versus spark as third party like I think that that thread that line is needs a a lot more thoughts just having a single line that just talk use the Decision Guide here’s the learn do like you didn’t need like let me say this way when I have a mind map that only has a
4:13 when I have a mind map that only has a lot of single lines or not a lot of derivation in the mind map it feels like it’s not as valuable it’s just like a list of things completely so I I do understand it but I wish there was a bit more pieces to this do you remember the I don’t know who built that Azure web service or like basically where is all those diagrams I do remember that I’m surprised they didn’t use that to build this but little crunch crunch Azure diagram something like that Azure diagram tool or something like that yeah
4:44 diagram tool or something like that yeah but probably they were in a little crunch for time to get this out I don’t I don’t know if it’s that the the the more I the more I look at this the more the more the author or who whoever built this is like-minded in my to me right right like there are many times where I would much rather choose a flow like this to just mind map almost it’s not it’s not really a an explosion of like following different Paths of like here’s how you go build an
5:15 Paths of like here’s how you go build an ADF pipeline for this particular use case right it’s it’s more covering the high level areas that you would be interested in in integration or comparison or whatever from the ADF perspective and like I find myself like I I look at this and this absolutely could just be a technical article right like integration design considerations and every one of these is a header with the links this is just a different visual way to look at it and at first I had some of
5:47 it and at first I had some of the same thoughts that you guys did which which is ye yeah but then the more I think about it I’m like oh actually I I would do this like or something similar as far as like yeah how do I get this out and just this is the flow of something and and that’s what I like because there are some breakouts for each part of these like performance best practices use data Factory fact page learn more about V order performance tuning tips will provide useful and accurate advice and it’s a different path right so like that could be why this
6:19 that could be why this visualization was chosen as far as just like breaking out some of these subsets instead of just having them like category subcategory in this monolithic blog which we also have opinions about right because how do you find something it’s there’s there’s a lot of things to it so like coming at it from that perspective I like it and and I think I I’ll say this very clearly like I think it’s a good idea I’m not trying to bash the the article or idea there but there there
6:50 article or idea there but there there needs to needs to be it’s great having one person’s perspective on this thing but I think the power of this stuff comes from like the community of people that can like add more stuff to it and I don’t know how you do this in a good way but like there’s a lot of people that are discussing like cicd stuff so just having a single link to a fabric blog is good but there’s probably like a lot of other things or considerations that need to be in there as well we’ve talked a lot about on the podcast there’s diagrams that are showing up on the internet now there’s to your point Tommy asure diagrams is a great tool
7:21 Tommy asure diagrams is a great tool that allows you to like build this kind that allows you to like build this interactive thing that’s easily of interactive thing that’s easily sharable you could embed that into websites so it does also feel to me to some degree it would be a great service to people to be able to take this and even modify it or copy it over and build their own like things that you’re looking at too like maybe you you tweak it a little bit so I like the I like the principle I do like the fact there’s a lot of really good points to documentation that supports a lot of these things there are a couple Trail trial there are a couple paths on
7:51 trial there are a couple paths on this that don’t have links to the end of them maybe had add some links at the end make sure everything has a linkou it’s a working doc though like it it basically says that they’re going to be regularly updating they want your opinions and do it in a diagrams I put the link in the so we’ll see what happens interesting concept good ideas maybe some food for thought as you’re trying to build out different data pipelines or Connect using v-ets or you’re trying to use notebooks or migrate them between
8:21 use notebooks or migrate them between workspaces like there’s some learn documentation that goes along with that as well so it definitely seems very interesting here the one thing I can never find the Google never seems to or or Bing or whatever nothing ever seems to pick up is the road map anytime every time I so if I don’t know what it is I need to bookmark the site or something better because I can never find the stinking road map as to where we’re going the release plan yeah the release plan I can’t I can remember exactly what to type in and it never
8:51 exactly what to type in and it never brings me to the right page it’s like here’s the release plan from like two years ago I’m like I don’t want that I want the one right now like how come that’s not easy to find this you got to go to two road maps because powerbi I think is still in the Power Platform One or is it all there in powerbi or is it is it in both now I don’t know if they’ve changed it I haven’t seen an an announcement but that I looks like they have some powerbi pursu into our conversation this morning I put the put the link in our
9:21 morning I put the put the link in our our internal chat for you fellas yeah I’ll put it about here I found it this morning exactly right all right yeah Alex power says powerbi is no longer the power is powerbi is no longer in the Power Platform One is now moved over to a fabric one so I think the fabric one is just what powerbi will be using moving forward there it is see that’s what I need aka. ms fabric release plan just a simple little like perfect Al grab it bookmark it fabric release P
9:53 grab it bookmark it fabric release P plan that’s all we care about just do that one little thing excellent all right with that let’s go into our main topic today let’s transition over so main topic today we’re going to talk about fabric is it ready and we’re going to just take this one from a mailbag so I think this is a one I’ll kick over to Seth it is a mailbag and for for anyone who is sending in a mailbag this is the best intro the best way to do it
10:24 is the best intro the best way to do it Chris Young from Metro Detroit here thank you Chris thank you for stating Who You Are and where you’re from that’s a fantastic way to start the question my question is a simple one is fabric soup yet I know it’s GA but do we trust it with production processes yet my organization has not enabled it to our tenant yet opting to keep using ADLs and ADF for now for fear of instability is this Justified my boss and I are chomping at
10:54 Justified my boss and I are chomping at the bit to start using fabric but he’s nervous help us out please
11:00 nervous help us out please so before we go on any further I had to look up sup yet I’m like is this a typo no it’s not a typo is it soup yet means is it time or is it ready and apparently this phrase has been around as long as I’ve been alive and I’ve never heard of before never heard of it before so is it ready yet is fabric ready yet that’s a good question so we should change the we should have changed the title instead of
11:31 should have changed the title instead of mailbag is fa is fabric soup yet that should have been the title it should have been yeah I didn’t know that I didn’t even know that phrase existed honestly me neither which is why I had to look it up so now our listeners know that to hey I for for those of you live have you guys ever heard of this phrase before are we the only ones in midwestern Wisconsin and Illinois well Tommy you’ve been around other places too I’ve never heard soup no this I don’t know if this is like the jimmies or sprinkles argument definely
12:01 or sprinkles argument definely it’s definitely sprinkles or Jimmy or sprinkles I don’t know is it is it a college thing maybe like then the the people who were born 95 and after no this is like a 1970s like when cample soup started packaging ready-made soup stuff it was this big controversy of what you can’t spend the time to make your own soup at home you’re just going to do this like microwave whatever and apparently
12:31 microwave whatever and apparently originated from like is it time is it ready yet is it soup guess is it time to eat yet I I don’t know interesting anyway now in the era the hook we don’t care anymore you era the hook we don’t care anymore under the under the hook of the know under the under the hook of the conversation awesome so let’s let’s jump in so let’s maybe do a little bit of timeline here about Fabric and when it was release right so fabric has been out since build of last year 2023
13:03 been out since build of last year 2023 that’s when it was announced I believe it went to preview very early there right after build I think you could actually play with it start playing with fabric specifically there and it was in preview all the way up until November I think 2023 just give me some rough timelines here November 2023 then it went GA was announced at I think it was ignite is it ignite they were announcing a I don’t remember if it was the night I don’t remember the exact event but they eventually announced okay now we’re going to go ga
13:34 announced okay now we’re going to go ga with with fabric and it was going to be built from there my opinion was anything that goes GA recently from Microsoft sometimes still has some rough edges around the edge of the of the system and what we’ve even seen today is yes while fabric is yeah Adam Alex has got it there public went build and at build it went public and ignite it went GA so that was in 2023 so here we are 6 months 7 months
14:04 in 2023 so here we are 6 months 7 months down the road now and we now have fabric what has happened and I my initial thought of fabric was okay maybe play with it a little bit when it goes GA we’re getting closer to where things are getting more reliable and consistent and then give it some time for it to mature I got to be honest I’m I was a little bit hesitant at the beginning to figure out what’s going to happen with fabric I feel right now very confident around a lot of pieces of it it’s not everything in all of fabric but there’s definitely a lot more of the pieces in fabric that I feel very comfortable
14:36 fabric that I feel very comfortable using would definitely put production workloads around and there are parts of fabric that I think I would still stay away from a little bit so I’ll just maybe leave it there and let you guys have some Impressions too no I think that’s a that’s an excellent introduction to this because yes Fabric in general is GA but we do know that just like with the blog post we see the the announcements the monthly updates that how basically being seven pages long they’re clearly working on a ton
15:07 long they’re clearly working on a ton not saying you shouldn’t have to do that with something that’s GA but the big thing is the holistic fabric is GA however there are a bunch of tools and Utilities in it that they’re still working on we know things like with co-pilot task flows just came out again maybe that wouldn’t be necessarily something we’re all using today but there’s there’s still the need to be aware that just because something’s out there like the real-time data Hub is it ready to go and
15:37 real-time data Hub is it ready to go and I think that’s Pro more than like we’re we’re not just Chris but a lot of organizations and a lot of teams are having having hesitation yeah I I equate this to what what we Liv through originally with with powerbi way way early on right like because it it was unique in that I had I had only started Consulting as a bi consultant where we were looking for the next thing how do
16:08 were looking for the next thing how do you how do you engage customers in the Microsoft reporting stack or business intelligence stack at that time and they didn’t have anything to compete witho compete with Teo right so when powerbi came out you you we we’re on it we’re gung-ho about it but was it something that we could Implement in every single case case and the answer was no right yeah but why but why was it no there right like there were a ton of cases that absolutely it like the foundational parts of the
16:38 like the foundational parts of the platform were there could you go head-to-head with Tableau right out of the Gat right like there were there was some improvements in the the reporting interface and how you develop the look and feel of things that just had to come a long way but foundationally like Automation and bringing people up to up to a a like parody or trying to automate their processes was a huge timesaver and I guess to some degree I I
17:09 timesaver and I guess to some degree I I look at this question in in that same lens and I think it’s important to to look at it in not just a yes no right Mike to your point you you’re saying there are tons of workloads there are a bunch of different things that I’m super confident and comfortable in and you confident and comfortable in and I think they’re strong Etc and I know I think they’re strong Etc and I think think to embrace like the question or the the fear of like can can we cut over you have to get out of this mindset of we
17:40 have to get out of this mindset of we we’re just fullon cutting over or we’re like especially in his case where it’s we’re migrating from existing platforms into this new one and we’re just going to Bam it’s done that’s where you get in trouble and it doesn’t like it’s not just fabric it’s like if you if you believe all the hype of a marketing person on a third third party tool and you just go yeah we’re in and then all of a sudden you hit a use case that is that is particular to your business or your setup that just flies
18:10 business or your setup that just flies in the face of working with that and I think that’s what you need to do when you’re looking at fabric if especially if you’re coming from the Independent Services I like that are what are what are the key types of services that you’re running like what are your processes like do you need to run every single process through fabric no if you have 100 pro like 100 ADF pipes and they’re all doing very similar things what are the examples of like okay we have a pipeline that does this and this is the security and these are
18:40 and this is the security and these are the tokens or service principles or whatever like whatever the setup is that your business like wants in place or if it was just a choice and and you take those and you have to run them through fabric so if Fabric’s not available you first get it available but but you have to push your production processes through it to understand whether not all the features you need for your business are there
19:12 you need for your business are there right and that’s just like base one because if they’re all there and it’s working as you would expect yay right like fly on Fabrics G it’s ready for you to go put your production workloads again against are you going to run into potential blockers because a certain feature or a certain user type isn’t supported yet it’s a it’s a it depends on how you’re how you’re implementing things things question so I think that that’s where
19:42 question so I think that that’s where check out the release plan and and the blog thing staying engaged in those two two links which we will put is important in that lens because it you you have to do the due diligence to like validate that all those particular features are are there interesting I like how you you tie this Seth to key services that you’re doing today and do you want to migrate them over into fabric I think that’s a really good point because I was thinking about workloads that I currently do and
20:14 about workloads that I currently do and a lot of my workloads that I currently do today loading from apis loading from structured data sources anything that has tables in it basically that’s a lot of what I do a lot of what I do is move that data over into fabric so making fabric has made a lot of that easy for me to turn on those services and and and build inside the unity the the the the unified experience that is fabric so see did there oh almost did that
20:44 that there I think for a lot of organizations and I think I’ll start with is fabric ready to migrate everything especially a larger organization because yeah I think looking at what are you obviously most critical or or what are you using that’s most critical that you cannot allow to fail could fabric work with pipelines it could it work with data Factory sure but I I would be in the position to be like we have to at least start testing this we I’m sure there’s some workloads there’s some
21:15 there’s some workloads there’s some projects we can do that we can do in parallel with everything that we already have going on Mission critical in Azure data Factory and blob storage but there’s enough data and there’s enough task to go around it’s like hey let’s just get our feet wet I don’t think I don’t think the smartest idea would be to go through and say we’re gonna migrate everything all at once basically right like we’re
21:45 all at once basically right like we’re gonna basically copy paste everything we’re doing in Azure data Factor we’re going to move everything to fabric I don’t think that would make sense at all regardless it does well what do
21:56 regardless it does well what do you mean by that Mike well I I think it depends right so if you’re doing very standard standard things inside ADF right so so one of the things so I will say I made I was making a little list on the side I was like what are some of the challenges that I currently see inside fabric today right so I was like okay what are some of the challenges some of the challenges are there’s some there’s some challenges between Integrations between different tools right I can make a pipeline I can make a parameter but the parameter said pipeline doesn’t go into a data flow so
22:26 pipeline doesn’t go into a data flow so there’s like a there’s like not an easy button to do that now I’ve seen Alex powers do a great job of like explaining hey you can take data and write it down to a a SQL endpoint and then you can look up that data in the data flow and then you can pass parameters that way so there is there is this ability to be able to move data between a pipeline and a data flow it’s just not very seamless and it’s not very easy I like you it should be as easy as going to a notebook right I can go from a pipeline to a notebook really easy the parameters just work some of the cicd integration story is not quite there yet like if you again
22:57 is not quite there yet like if you again one of the struggles I was just doing we built a whole bunch of data flows in a client and now we want to migrate those data flows from Dev to test you can’t migrate them they’re not they’re not available in the deployment pipelines you can’t do it so there’s other things that are like their stories are not quite there yet I know they’re working on them but they’re not quite there yet to your point Tommy around the ADF stuff right then I look at like what is actually being done well and I would say like you get a lot of it’s one of the things that are very easy to do is you can turn on a lot of services very quickly and you can turn turn them off
23:27 quickly and you can turn turn them off when you need to it’s very easy to get to pipelines it’s very easy to get a Lakehouse which is equivalent to blob storage you can use the custo engine or the kql databases you can have streaming with event hubs right another thing that I really like about the system is shortcuts you can have data that lives other places and shortcut the data into your lake house to work with it so I feel like there’s a lot of like really good advantages and would I migrate all my ADF workloads it depends on what you do in them if you’re running a whole bunch of ssis procedures inside your your data
23:57 ssis procedures inside your your data Factory workloads I would not I would leave them where they are but if you’re just doing copy connect to apis and copy data down or you’re doing table loads of information into some lake house or some table structure like I think I would migrate those so it’s I think the challenge for users becomes what workloads do you have and how do you identify if those workloads fit inside Fabric and are an easy method to migrate to we know this because I think we experiment with this but there’s no like really like documentation or blog that
24:29 really like documentation or blog that I’ve seen that says okay if you’re doing this process it’s frictionless if you’re doing this process it’s a little bit more tricky if you’re doing this process it’s hard right so there needs to be like these different processes that we’re doing in our business to your point Seth right it’s more important to understand what are you doing how are you transforming data and what are you trying to do with it then you can align okay what processes do I care about and then you should go produce some tests in fabric that can hopefully mimic or mirror those same processes and then you have to as a business that they evaluate does this
24:59 business that they evaluate does this work for me is this good that does that make sense what I’m saying there is that Mr way off it it does it does and I think in terms of like building out the processes the the GES are not in hey we’re going to we’re just going to do it it’s in not validating that the new the processes you’re converting will work the way you expect them to right it’s the gotas all the time that you didn’t validate or test prior to like trying to Launch into it I guess this leads me to
25:30 Launch into it I guess this leads me to me like another thought though related to while the technical implementation doesn’t need to be yes no do you need to get full Buy in yes no before you go down this route right because if I have all these other these independent services and I think somebody called it out where fabric is there’s this fantastic story of like consolidating bringing all this data together in one
26:00 bringing all this data together in one Lake we have access to it mirroring you Lake we have access to it mirroring connecting to all this data Etc but know connecting to all this data Etc but what like how does that work in the scenario where you’re basically creating a hybrid environment until you’re fully cut over yes that also potentially adds more more friction well and and that’s where I’m like I’m like huh like does this need to be a signed off thing in that like this is the direction we’re going to go because of these features these the capabilities and the
26:30 capabilities and the long like road before you go down this path of like okay well now I’m using fabric for all these workloads but not these be and the reason that that thought came to mind was because I was going down the R& D path or net new like you could start building in net new correct but that’s where like what do you guys think like I have this platform I’m going to implement and it is the same services but it’s not it’s same this is and this is where I think
27:00 same this is and this is where I think to your point set on this is where I get a little bit dodgy around my answer because an ADF pipeline has been very mature it’s been developed over many many years and has been been building build building building there is now new features showing up in the fabric pipelines that are different like you can’t send a message to teams you can’t send a message to Outlook inside the ADF experience which I really like that feature doesn’t exist in ADF so in one
27:30 feature doesn’t exist in ADF so in one hand I think about it’s really exciting to have all these new tools building things that I can use and consume consume so you have to really so the answer I’m going to say it’s a bad answer but it’s really going to depend on what you’re doing inside that workload and I I do think set there ability to like maintain both of them but that’s what I’m saying it’s it’s not workload based then I think what this does is it elevates it to the other level where yes I
28:00 to the other level where yes I think I does it behoove you you you have to you have to have enough value in the new features and capabilities of fabric to convince leadership that that’s the path that’s best for the organization to go down because once you open that door like you’re going like you’re not going to you’re not going to want you’re not going to want multiple different state Solutions on the back end correct once you go into fabric like that that’s it you want to
28:32 fabric like that that’s it you want to do everything right if you’re if you’re jumping in you want to jump in with both I feel like if you want to jump in you should feel like you should be able to jump in with both feet and go at at it I think I think there’s another aspect of this that I want to what what is the motivating factor for organizations to commit people time resources to migrating things and I I see what you’re saying said about like the feature differences and the the ease of building things but I also think there’s a pricing aspect to this as well I think organizations there aren’t you I’m going to poke on that one I think
29:02 I’m going to poke on that one I think there’s a pricing aspect of this as well well again think about it right where if you can save my team time with not having to build all this extra stuff and the system now is just easier to work with well that saves me money in general right I don’t have to spin up stuff I don’t have to get all this extra headache it’s all contained in one pricing space like there’s some headache of management that just disappears and then make it like for example spark The Spark engine I’m going to pick on that one for a bit I really would
29:32 on that one for a bit I really would like it to be very competitive with what I’m doing with data bricks so you’re competing like you you are building new things but yes there are there you’ve you’ve basically stretched yourself into a new area of competitors when powerbi started with competing with Tableau and click and thought spot and other programs what’s happening now is you’ve extended Fabric and have all these other tools that now compete with different tools now so now you’re competing fabric against data bricks and Snowflake and all these other competitors are now yes we we play
30:03 competitors are now yes we we play together we can read Iceberg yes we can read from data bricks and unity catalog all these other things but we’re we’re playing in the same space now so organizations not to figure out do I stay in data bricks or does this make sense for me to move over to fabric and I get more done in fabric at a better cost than I can with data bricks I don’t know so this is where I think this is also going to be consideration for organizations is where’s the best use of my money and time so I I think big part here is to
30:34 time so I I think big part here is to your point Seth he said him and his boss are chomping at the bits from a buying point of view I think if he want if Chris wanted to start today just to start testing it sounds like his boss is all in sounds like they haven’t done really anything they haven’t even enabled yet so they haven’t really even tried a test pipeline so I think I would start doing that for sure yeah and and I think that’s a big thing like I I’ll go back briefly I would not take any existing major workflows that I have
31:06 existing major workflows that I have especially if I deem the mission critical and immediately start on that trying to copy that into a fabric I think turning it on again if there’s a new project or some there’s always something that you can just begin to just get one used to the interface used to where all the products are see if in a sense create some stress test my dad would be very proud as an engineer just to make sure thing but you have I I think there’s for a lot of people even though the products are more or less the same they’re just
31:36 or less the same they’re just they brought it all in from synapse they brought it all in from data Factory again we to your point there are some small components that either added or subtracted in fabric so just stress test what you normally do test something El I I I’m gonna interrupt yeah like I don’t think we’re talking about some small little features we’re talking hard blockers for person people’s implementations and sometimes there are and like you can’t it to to
32:08 there are and like you can’t it to to Mike’s Point earlier are there a bunch of things that you can work around in fabric yes right if you’re going early in a newly GA product you got to be comfortable with working around like something but but Tommy if like if you don’t support service principles or you don’t support support managed keys or something that’s a core implemented thing within your organization like there’s no workaround for that so like that’s what I want to be and I’m not saying like all those features are not available it’s just some are some aren’t
32:39 available it’s just some are some aren’t right and like you can’t work around core P pieces of security or implementation yes in the way that your your organizations have set s up so I think we still are in the realm where there are some hard blockers and that’s
32:52 there are some hard blockers and that’s why I recommending that like you go down this path of validation and test testing is is Paramount when we’re on the project like the implementation level yeah and I was looking at the road map service principles are in the pikeline for fabric but to your point yeah that’s I know for a lot of organizations that’s more or less the showstop right there so I think a lot of these are right now I I’ve been very clear about like when we started fabric I was like it’s it’s
33:22 fabric I was like it’s it’s going to come out a little bit rough it’s going to come out a little bit you it’s going to come out a little bit bumpy it’s it’s going to it’s know bumpy it’s it’s going to it’s going to get better though and I I do feel like we’re at a point right now where things have gotten a lot better I’m already moving some substantial workloads some solutions that I’m building for customers I’m moving them directly into Fabric and that’s how we start yeah we start with fabric and we build everything that we need there because we know like I so let’s go back to the question right here we’re talking about evaluating Fabric or not let’s go back to the question right Chris asks we have not enabled
33:52 Chris asks we have not enabled in our tenant yet should we start playing with some things yes you should take inven of what are some of your more painful workloads or processes that you’re doing today and think okay what is the best strategic value ad you what is the best strategic value ad how can I get data from ADLs and know how can I get data from ADLs and ADF into Fabric and get it into powerbi semantic models as quickly as possible is there any major savings that are doing that processing and I would I would argue right this makes a lot of sense if you are again this to me this
34:22 sense if you are again this to me this is very a very known quantity using a pipeline collecting some data putting it down the lake house and then using a a semantic model or lake house to get that data into PBI that’s a really good workload I would I would right away say do it like go experiment with it because the the pipelines can go ahead and build tables Delta tables for you immediately out of the pipeline it’s a lot more challenging to build a Delta table in ADF and then go consume that directly and power behind there’s a couple more
34:53 and power behind there’s a couple more steps so I really like there’s a couple things in here that I really enjoy and I want the real deep Integrations I enjoy right now is how how easy it is to make tables in Lake housee and how quickly it is to get them into fabric semantic models and ultimately start building reports on top of them that to me seems like a very good experience can I do a full cicd Pipeline on that thing yet I’m not sure yet like that so that’s where I’m like it’s a little bit untested yet can you build one environment of that yes no problem
35:23 one environment of that yes no problem but if you’re going to build Dev test prod and move it all through pipelines it will probably work in deployment pipelines as long as you’re not using data flows so one thing I’m going to harp on here a little bit from the Microsoft side and I know they’re working on it so I I got to give them credit they’re making progress it’s just not baked for me enough right yet the when I look at people showing up to it’s just data flows gen two like it’s just there’s there’s a couple really key features that I need to have like turned on and ready to go I think incremental
35:53 on and ready to go I think incremental refresh is one that I really need inside data flows and I need it to work with a lake house that just feels like something that needs to be a very solid I got to have it I I do a lot of incremental Refresh on other stuff I think it needs to be there data flows should definitely be able to handle a parameter from a pipeline I do a lot of pipelines and we build a lot of parameters so if I’m giving Chris some advice here I’d say Chris if you are comfortable using pipelines and notebooks and semantic
36:24 pipelines and notebooks and semantic models it’s it’s really ready to go there’s a lot of solid pieces in fabric that are just dialed if you’re talking about data flows Gen 2 and adding that into the mix which where I think a lot of our business users are coming from there’s just a couple more rough friction points that I’m not ready to fully dive into it yet so like I love data flows it’s an awesome tool it’s so good but we’re just on the cusp of like making it great because it can’t quite integrate what I need it to do with pipelines and it doesn’t work with cicd
36:54 pipelines and it doesn’t work with cicd either so I can’t take a data flow and move it between test and prod inside the pipelines so these are like I like data flows it’s just not quite there yet and I think they’re working on it but to me as long as your workflows include most of the fabric elements aside from data flows I’d really try out a really strong proof of concept I think that’s worth your your time time yeah yeah so I I guess I’m curious then if if we’re all pretty clear that hey there’s
37:27 we’re all pretty clear that hey there’s a lot of features that are some of them are deal breakers the service principles is actually a really good one then how far does even not just Chris and his his team but Mike you said you’re you’re doing some workloads right now in Fabric and again that works are you doing that for clients or are you doing that just for yourself I’m doing it for clients so we have production workloads that we’re building out for clients but it’s using very specific things it’s using pipelines it’s using notebooks and then we’re
37:57 it’s using notebooks and then we’re getting right into semantic models so like the things that we’re building are using what I think are the some of the strongest components of fabric at this point we’re staying clear away from data flows because I’ve worked with clients and we’re trying to migrate things with data flows it’s a lot more painful it doesn’t quite have the simple experience so you think about the CH It’s it’s difficult to move things mean it’s it’s difficult to move things between environments especially in a data flow because a dataflow points potentially at a lake house it picks up files from that lake house and it moves it and writes it down to somewhere else
38:27 it and writes it down to somewhere else you think about the two connection strings we have a source and a destination those things need to be parameterized and be able to move them between different environments so I can’t assume that every environment has the exact same database on the back end I can’t assume every environment has the exact same name for the Lakehouse so there’s there’s all these like little tiny parameters that you need to inject throughout pipelines or or or processes to then build these different environments so that to me it’s just harder to work with that and the and the fact that I can’t get a data flow into
38:57 fact that I can’t get a data flow into to a git integration it doesn’t go with it doesn’t check into devops I I can’t I can’t physically change the code and like make like okay I’m going to change this line of text and then re release it in this new thing or rebind it or whatever there’s just nothing there’s no tooling out there to support it today so it’s a just a bit more friction for me so for me personally I’m staring clear that but everything else myli notebooks I can very easily move those things through those seem to be much easier to move through
39:27 through I I I I think and I I I I’m coming up with these as a hot take based on based on Tommy’s reactions in in both directions right yeah I I think it’s important for folks in this conversation to to take into totality all of the aspects and and not gravitate towards product paralysis right like new product Oh my gosh I like I’m I’m afraid it’s not
39:58 gosh I like I’m I’m afraid it’s not going to handle all my workloads I like it’s not fully baked what what do I do we’re we’re not going to we’re not going to turn it on we’re not going to do anything until it like it hits some level of level of comfort and then on the opposite Spectrum you have like feature fear which is what Tomy was just like oh my gosh like it doesn’t support spns it’s like well do you guys use those in your organization no okay well then why why does it matter right like it shouldn’t so as you’re as you’re looking to integrate or
40:29 integrate or leverage this this new product don’t get hung up on features that aren’t relevant to you just because it’s not supported or it’s like this one security thing that is relevant to 10% of workloads that’s not in there it it doesn’t matter in the context of what you should be caring about which is does this new product offer better better processes better features better capabilities than existing solution right and that takes diligence right so
41:03 right and that takes diligence right so in some cases like Mike you’re you’re expressing if a it’s a newer organization that doesn’t have a ton of these baked in processes we’re not talking about Integrations we’re not talking about like migrating from one platform or service into this it’s net new it’s net new agree what are what are other options though for so the net new is always the easiest answer right it’s it’s always going to be yeah let’s jump a fabric it’s going to be where Microsoft invests all their time in resources and money and new features Etc makes total sense I think where Chris
41:34 makes total sense I think where Chris comes from which is the vast majority of other other organizations and then it scales up is well we already have Solutions when do I cut there’s a driver there’s a driver for us to want to get on to fabric it’s important for you the fabric fans yep oh man I’m full of them today fabric fans yeah you are to be able to be able to out line what are all the features that you care about what are the advancements in this that are going to simplify your workload like Mike just you just rambled through like
42:05 Mike just you just rambled through like two or three different use cases that are so much more simple to get from like raw data to reporting in this ecosystem without tons of data movement across like all of this and that blah blah blah outline those features right that’s what’s really important and I think R& D for those types of organizations right like net new things okay I want to vet like this thing it’s an internal workload completely like great this is a candidate for us to
42:36 great this is a candidate for us to build in Fabric and then if like it’s either that and it’s got similarities to an existing workload so you can do price comparison yes or if if you’re like considering fabric as the next gen thing you want to move into then just build the same work work clads right yes because this sticks in I’ll reserve my last point because I’m talking already a little bit but like cost stuff is important especially
43:08 cost stuff is important especially around the platforms that we have and if you’ve gone through the due diligence and actually understand your costs in Azure yep you’re terrified of like okay this is all new what is what is this going to do for yeah my budget my long-term plan how is this Pro how like it’s not the costs necessarily upfront it’s okay I’m going to incur more costs to validate test plan on top of my existing so I need to budget for that Y
43:39 existing so I need to budget for that Y and then it’s not necessarily the price of capacity it’s the usage and performance and what do I need to increase burst or like increase
43:50 increase burst or like increase cost like what are my how does my existing budget align to that net new budget and that’s where I think that’s where you have to take some of your heavy workloads in certain areas and figure out like okay what is that going to cost in this net new ecosystem the balance there though is if your front-end front-end solution costs money in terms of refreshing data like there’s there’s potential huge cost savings if you’re
44:23 potential huge cost savings if you’re able to directly plug into the Delta tables and not have to ref right so upload or the import method it’s not in in this discussion or in this decision making like I think there’s a a whole lot of components you have to look at holistically because fabric brings them all together right so they’re not just independent workloads anymore or independent Services it’s the whole combination of things that you have to say like be cognizant of one but
44:55 have to say like be cognizant of one but two align so that as you’re doing that comparison you you would give the pluses and or minuses and hopefully it’s all plus but it’s going to be part of the conversation eventually right like you’re not just going to rarely are you going to get cart launched to just be like yeah go go just do it do it push on a new system what’s that gonna cost we don’t know just do it do it so oh man there’s so many good points you made here I got like a thousand I’m
45:27 you made here I got like a thousand I’m I’m literally writing copious notes Here on my sides just I want to reinforce some points and I want to push you on some others this is really good sorry Tommy go ahead you’re gonna jump in no I I think that’s a conversation for another day because you are incorporating the the cost in here too I think we’re telling all the features and the settings and getting your stuff but yeah the cost is such a huge part of this too and like what kind this too and like what budget are you of budget are you creating especially if you are going to be testing things out
45:57 be testing things out no I think from a consideration point of view I’m I’m just going to go back to a point a point though more likely than not organizations are going to adopt Fabric and it’s probably G I think with really what you see on the road map to this year they’re really going to answer or curtail I think a lot of everyone’s biggest like oh if because it doesn’t have this it’s a non-starter from security apis and just
46:28 from security apis and just features I I I know as we get to near the tail end here conversation because we could continue to expand I I think for me I’m just going to go back to it doesn’t hurt too much to start a fabric trial still being offered right now low low Buri like lowc cost low buried to entry correct I agree with that one a lot right so you g to get a trial you don’t even have to spend a dime today if you wanted to try it y so I don’t think it’s I I wonder why maybe you guys
47:00 think it’s I I wonder why maybe you guys can answer this too for him for Chris and his boss were’re like they haven’t even turned it on they’re really worried because it doesn’t have all the features but they haven’t even tested it out at least for just them not necessarily for the the organization I wonder where that hesitation comes from more than just cost especially if the cost is free well I would I would recommend so when you say the free trial I think there’s some words of wisdom that I would maybe give to people of of
47:32 would maybe give to people of of trying to like oh we’re just trying to figure it out we’re just starting it I I would imagine most people who listen to podcast are probably very powerbi Centric and maybe they’re on that threshold of like should we start playing with fabric one thing I would just note is when you turn on the trial method you’re getting like I think it’s a 30-day I’m not sure if it’s 60 or 30 I don’t know exactly if it changes cuz I I have already had the the trial for a while so it it may be a 60-day trial I’m not sure whenever you have have that trial when you’re ready to commit to it do commit as an organization some some substantial time to let people build in
48:03 substantial time to let people build in it so what you don’t want to do is you don’t want to take an opportunity like that and say I’m going to take the 30-day trial and not build anything until day 15 right so okay Alex is confirming it is a 60-day trial so if you have a 60-day trial right get in get started and even potentially do some what workloads do you have that you could start mirroring over this one and to your point Seth earlier right there is this whole I’m going to spend some effort testing and validating and planning until I need to build some things so when you’re ready do a little
48:34 things so when you’re ready do a little bit of research find some processes you think either are net new or things you want to build that are a good candidate there and this is actually I think a good an area talk to some other experts in your business go talk to some Consultants go to a user group ask some User Group people where what workloads are they doing that they’re fine I’m trying to like in this in this conversation here I’m also trying to give you some workloads that I’m finding that are very use ful inside fabric that I enjoy working with right pipeline to notebook to to semantic model like if that’s if you think that’s something you want to build I’d really
49:05 something you want to build I’d really highly recommend testing that out inside fabric but don’t wait till the end right get it planned get what you’re going to do carve out some substantial time and I know you’re doing your day job so it’s going to you can’t spend every day in it but try to carve out some time earlier on in the process so you can actually start finding that it’s useful earlier on and and using those building those new workloads or workflows inside that experience and so so Mike what do what do you do if you’re an organization where you had somebody who got really
49:35 where you had somebody who got really really excited and turned on your trial and then you weren’t ready to do all that well it’s per user right it’s a per user basis right so yeah that happens try try and work with a user TR for more trials trying to find a user that has has not gotten a trial yet and start one there there are also some settings in the admin portal you have to turn on right so there definitely is like so even there as well I would recommend if you’re going to go down this trial route don’t open up fabric for everyone in the organization because you don’t know what
50:05 organization because you don’t know what you’re going to get and stuff could get a little bit hairy to manage after the fact so I would recommend one is making sure that you go into the admin portal and you make a security group around the users that are going to be testing fabric put them in that security group and then add the security group hey we’re going to let users make fabric elements in this group and even even still you need a limited user group of who can actually try the trial of the fabric skew as well so when you you when you’re logged to power. com there’s a try
50:36 you’re logged to power. com there’s a try fabric Now button well that only shows up to certain people when you have them in the right Security Group in the right setting and admin portal so those two things have to be on regardless but I would not open fabric up wide to your entire organization for trials I would narrow it down to a very small group of people to go experiment and try things with and and maybe that’s the key to your question Tommy is is it it sounds like Chris and his manager are in a business unit or in a bi team with handcuffs right where they don’t have access to turn or toggle these these admin controls so maybe the approach
51:06 admin controls so maybe the approach there is to approach those with the keys to the castle with this idea of hey like you guys can enable this just for us right so create your Security Group enable this so that we can start playing around and it’s not going to do anything organization wide Alex Powers brings up another part here he’s been really chatting up here I guess we we struck a cord here with a little bit but Alex says try to identify in your realm or whatever you’re building here find areas where there’s a high value to time right
51:36 where there’s a high value to time right it’s a little bit of time but you can get high amounts of value out of it so if there are any proof of Concepts where you can go around and find there’s something that we struggle with and it’s structured data and I you with and it’s structured data and I I I could probably get this done know I I could probably get this done quickly and those are good opportunities to try things out and do a high time to value and I think I want to go back here just briefly set I really loved your your cost conversation and I think there’s a couple things that I like to to think about when I’m thinking thinking about cost or time one is the time to develop
52:07 cost or time one is the time to develop it meaning is it easy to integrate the tools together so that saves me time and money eventually in the long run and then there’s a performance side of this thing right can I spend the same amount of money but get more out of the tool and I think I think there is opportunity here depending on what tools you’re using there is an opportunity to start centralizing your data development your data engineering and your reporting and like bring it all under one house and I think there’s going to be a really good opportunity to optimize and build
52:39 opportunity to optimize and build better stuff inside the context of fabric and I I I’m really encouraged by the speed in which features have been developed from fabric in general really like that part of it the fact that it goes so quickly and we’ve been seeing so many new features come out and the fact that we’re overwhelmed in the blogs of all the new stuff is encouraging to me now granted a lot of some of those things that are being developed are not what I love I’m not in real-time streaming analytics at this point that seems where a lot of the features are coming out right now but everything else is getting more robust
53:09 everything else is getting more robust as we go and so I really like the fact that I’m building in a tool in an area where Microsoft is investing and so I like aligning my direction of my company to the direction of where Microsoft’s going where they where they’re spending the time I want to build in tools where there’s lots of blog releases and posts and features being updated because that feels more future proof than trying to use for example ssis I don’t see a lot of new features or blogs coming out from SSS these SSS these days fact
53:39 days fact fact you could fact check me on that I think level level well level of effort pushes towards another I think important thing to do that businesses should do before diving or like fully into fabric testing right is understand what your baselines are right like you you have to understand like how long do my current processes take how much my current processes cost me because in order to un in order to convey that hey these things are faster to develop or
54:10 these things are faster to develop or they run just as performant as our existing processes you got to understand where you are before where you’re going right yeah and the the offset in there is hopefully that story is better in fabric because you’re going to then say hey we want to get to this better State and we want to get to all these great things but we’re also going to incur a cost in getting there because I’m going to development is going to slow down
54:41 to development is going to slow down until it speeds up right we’re gonna we’re going to have Tech debt
54:46 we’re going to have Tech debt things of migrating and moving things around and resetting processes and and doing all this stuff in fabric so that the the selling point has to be here are all the better things for us in the organization strategically the direction we want to go correct yeah agree before you can just be like yeah we’re doing it so I think I think it’s very easy to think about this in the technical Realms of like o ne new technology like let’s get on the thing and new tech and it’s fun and let’s
55:16 and new tech and it’s fun and let’s learn but like understand you’re in the context of a business right so we’re here to make money and and technically business intelligence teams should be driving on two different two different fronts right one is efficiencies and the other is driving Revenue right with insights so if fabric offers these things and you can prove it out that’s all you got to do right like so I absolutely look for use cases look
55:46 so I absolutely look for use cases look for areas of opportunity where fabric does streamline a lot of the these endtoend data needs that organizations have because they don’t care about the Nuance they care about like at the end of the day do you have an understanding of like we’re going to net save X thousand of dollars per month moving from this process into Fabric and we’re going to get have all of this data in the same location so the next
56:16 data in the same location so the next time you request things level of effort to bring it forward is a lot lower etc etc yeah so I think it’s just weighing a lot of different factors because you’re talking about many different types of services doing many different types of data activities and it’s it’s part of that whole ecosystem so you can’t just don’t cart blanch B make big sweeping assumptions or you make big sweeping assumptions or decisions in in either
56:48 know decisions in in either direction it requires a little bit of due diligence in your existing stuff compare it net new things to test out and and see if Fabric’s a good fit for you right now or something you revisit in three to six months yeah Enterprise AR makes a really good point here and he’s saying he’s speaking to his organization a little bit he say this is a a catch22 I work for a conglomerate with subsidiaries where fabric would be awesome but the organization even it has a silo on top of Silo on top of silos and I think I think I’m maybe taking
57:18 and I think I think I’m maybe taking this with a bit of a rose lens glasses here slightly just because yes I and I think the larger the company that you are I think there’s a lot of political challenge or win headwinds that come along with that potentially at those larger companies and there’s also a lot of other Investments there’s there’s potentially a very strong it organization that has already built a lot of infrastructure a certain way and it works for them because you had to build things to make the business run so I’m not saying tear all
57:51 run so I’m not saying tear all that down and start over again it’s probably going to be more challenging to get that buy in and start that migration and so I think for for larger organizations starting strategic net new processes or net new projects might make a lot more sense there as opposed to okay the whole organization now has to commit to lots of money and ex extensive amounts of time to move everything over I don’t think you make that decision at this point I think it’s a lot of just you’re starting to build more workloads there and I think as you find the value from the tool you continue to
58:21 the value from the tool you continue to build more workloads and it snowballs from there at least that’s how I see it working so I think our larger organizations have a lot more political headwinds than I think medium to smaller organizations they’re a bit more Nimble can and move quicker through this I believe true just want to point that out I thought that was a great Point around that your business politics does play a factor in how this how quickly you can shift here or not shift I don’t want to be naive and say oh yeah it’s just easy just turn it on and go like it’s there is probably a lot of other challenges in the
58:51 a lot of other challenges in the business that are doing things and potentially but but at the same time I think going back to your same argument right like if even in those challenging environments if you can lead with great yeah totally understand the complexity what we’d like to do is prove out these things to the business yes you you can do that in a limited fashion by just enabling fabric trials for these people and that would allow us to go either showcase what we can
59:21 go either showcase what we can can do versus what we can’t right or Pro prove out that there is a bunch of value here for the entire organization to go after and hopefully yeah they’re amenable to that yeah exactly you get the hard the hard not I will say in the last six months of development I’m very much more excited than I was when it started it at GA honestly I feel like a lot of features are being made I feel like the product teams are listening to what needs to be developed so if my in my final thoughts here like talking back
59:52 thoughts here like talking back talking back to Chris specifically Chris I think you’re I think you’re in the right path I think you’re heading the right direction I think finding that little proof of concept and getting your head around what is capable in Fabric and how it meets your business’s needs I think it’s a great place to start I would also echo like in the last six months I’ve seen fabric make some really strong strides really improvements to where I think it need the tool needs to go to make my world easier and so I’m encouraged to see the next six months of development how much more progress we can make in another six
60:23 more progress we can make in another six months towards this as well and I think that’s gonna again continually close the gaps and make it more competitive with other tools in the market it’s going to be more of my central place to go I’m enjoying just in general I’m enjoying the experience of developing in fabric I really am I really like notebooks I really like pipelines there’s a lot of things that just work well together now that really make it an enjoyable engineering and building experience for powerbi things so I’m encouraged I I like where it’s going I’m going to continue to use it I’m going to continue to push harder into it because I think this is really a good direction
60:53 this is really a good direction Microsoft’s going Tommy any fin words for you no I I think the the biggest thing thing is right now you’re take a look at the road map take a look at the timelin that Microsoft says especially for things that you think are deal breakers right now but just start testing even if it’s something that may not ever go to production enable a fabric free trial for for over a month just at least get started in the workflow and and how
61:23 get started in the workflow and and how it works and and then you can put together your assessment and your judgment on the projects that you’re doing but because Microsoft is allowing us to again really play in the sandbox without really having to utilize our most critical workloads and our most critical projects it’s really it’s an easy win just to get it started yeah I think ultimately you you win in engaging so fabric is the future
61:55 win in engaging so fabric is the future of Microsoft products right it it behooves you to get in at some point it just depends on like how how you get there because like powerbi what you see is a mass amount of investment in not tabular models themselves right AAS right you saw the mass investment in powerbi which is where we were leveraging that technology in the same way fabric brings all these things together you’re seeing a massive push and support for all of these things together the ultimate story is much better across the board so I think it’s
62:25 better across the board so I think it’s just a matter of when and how and so this is a good question and a good conversation but as we’re in this state where it’s not like there isn’t 100% feature parody yep okay so you got to take it in in steps and I think ultimately looking at a key area of your business that you think fabric would win in is a great starting point to get buy in for you to start testing on it and do things that you can build a business
62:55 things that you can build a business case for right ultimately what you’re trying to do is point out that there’s Solutions in fabric that are much better for the business whether that’s Time Savings Alex power pointed out two great scenarios where like taking three to six month projects and doing them in a day man oh my gosh like that’s a massive use case right like if you ever ran into a case where it’s like hey that project you’re doing over there what’s their timeline on that and then building it in a couple days like I
63:25 then building it in a couple days like I think right like I think fabric would win there yeah so like looking for opportunities like that as opposed to just saying like I have these pipelines and I want to move them it like is is more friction if if you don’t have the support that you need but either way I I think long term you just fig figure out where you can plug in and how and ultimately we’re all on the same road to fabric together I think I agree all right excellent same road to fabric
63:56 all right excellent same road to fabric so great conversation good question from the mailbag thank you very much for doing the mailbag Tommy will’ll give you more information if you have a question that you’d like us to review or go through I think we love we actually handling these questions these feel like very real world challenge type questions so I love the the mailbag questions they’re super good so thank you very much we really appreciate your ears today we know you have you have a million podcasts you can listen to there’s a ton of things out there so we really do appreciate you taking time to listen with us we really appreciate it so thank you so much for engaging chat has been wonderful yet again thank you
64:26 has been wonderful yet again thank you so much in chat for the great conversation and just challenging this like this is a these are challenging things that think through we need to balance these ideas off each other figure out what works well for us as a team and and other teams and what works one for one company may not work for all companies that’s that’s okay so with that if you like this conversation if you’re finding value from this please let let somebody else know either on social media or at work just let them know you found the explicit MERS podcast and you’re finding some value from it maybe somebody else can listen to it while they go on their run or their walk or just when you’re tired of
64:57 or just when you’re tired of listening to your boss you just put it on and ignore them for a bit maybe that’ll help you don’t do that don’t don’t ignore your boss that’s not a good recommendation so with that where else Tommy can you find the podcast you can find the podcast on all of our social media platforms how do I not memorize this by now oh my gosh you can find us on Apple Spotify or wherever you’re at your podcast make sure to subscribe and leave a rating it helps us out a ton do you have a question idea or a topic that you want us to talk about a future episode head over to power. tip podcast leave
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