PowerPoint and Power BI – Ep. 257

Power BI is where the numbers should be trusted. PowerPoint is where a lot of organizations actually decide what happens next. In Ep. 257, the team uses that tension to answer a practical question: should you embed live Power BI pages inside a slide deck, or keep shipping static screenshots?

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Main Discussion

If you’ve ever watched a perfectly good semantic model get reduced to a screenshot in a quarterly deck, you’re not alone. The listener question that kicks off this episode is basically: ‘PowerPoint is the language of execs—can embedding live Power BI pages in slides help us stop playing KPI telephone?’

The crew agrees the opportunity is real, but the tradeoffs are too: static slides are predictable, while live embeds are more truthful (and more likely to drive adoption)—but they introduce friction like sign-in, licensing expectations, and the risk of the numbers changing between “deck built” and “deck presented.”

Key takeaways:

• Start with the audience’s workflow, then raise the bar: if leadership lives in decks, use that as the on-ramp—but keep the source-of-truth in Power BI so definitions don’t drift.
• Decide ‘static vs. live’ based on the meeting purpose: if the deck is a broadcast artifact, static images reduce surprises; if the meeting is a working session, live visuals help answer follow-up questions without rebuilding slides.
• Design pages with slide real estate in mind: build a clean, ‘deck-friendly’ report page (no redundant headers/logos) that fits a slide template and leaves room for narrative bullets on the side.
• Use slides for narrative context Power BI doesn’t excel at: action items, decisions made, and why a metric moved are often faster to write in PowerPoint than to engineer into a report layout.
• Avoid creating a parallel truth: the more manual screenshotting and rewording happens, the more likely you’ll end up with mismatched numbers and debates about whose slide is ‘right.’
• Plan for the friction points: sign-in prompts, permissions, and ‘do they have Pro?’ questions can kill momentum—treat access and governance as part of the presentation design.
• Build demand through value: when execs feel the benefit of trusted, refreshable reporting, they’ll start asking for direct access instead of asking for “one more slide.”

Looking Forward

If your org is stuck in screenshot mode, try one meeting where you embed a single ‘source-of-truth’ Power BI visual in the deck—then use the questions that follow to justify better access, certification, and standard report design.

Episode Transcript

0:30 good morning and welcome back to the explicit measures podcast with Tommy Seth and Mike hello everyone welcome back happy Tuesday gentlemen happy Tuesday it is a Tuesday and happy Tuesday to you Seth thank you thank you so in in lie of this week I believe the the previous week last week we just finished off a Microsoft Power Platform conference out of Las Vegas I don’t think any of us went

1:00 Vegas I don’t think any of us went we were still all working and know that’s a bit of a marketing event or has turned into a bit of a marketing event these days but there were some actually interesting announcements that have come out from the the event I saw some things on Twitter I saw a couple people making some notes Here anything that stood out to you gentlemen Seth anything that stood out to you dark mode now listen there there’s a longstanding argument like there is in many places some people like the dark

1:31 many places some people like the dark mode some people don’t especially in a visualization tool right with all the colors and things like listen it’s developer mode right like when you’re fit finished and Polished and ready to go you’re you’re gonna either flip out of dark mode or validate the the report in some other way etc etc but I’m a dark mode guy like man the all all the applications dark mode it’s just easier on the eyes it’s nice to work with so

2:01 on the eyes it’s nice to work with so super excited that they’re pulling that in to a tool that is pretty much always on my screen anyway as the only white one the like giant playing screen of white very bright that’s my opinion Tommy must have a different opinion well listen Mike what do you use for Tableau editor do you use the dark mode or you use the normal like Visual Studio 2005 style I think I use the darker mode in Tabler editor I think that’s actually the default on my computer like you can set your windows to say which mode do you like and I think even on my computer

2:32 you like and I think even on my computer everything’s in dark mode already so I actually use the lighter mode you would think the dark mode would be my the preference because I’m the same every tool or platform or system that I use on my computer is dark mode but you’re right when it comes to the data viz maybe I’m just so used which is a terrible excuse but maybe I’m just so used to everything always being the white bright with every data tool that I use I don’t know does we’ll see how it looks I just think it’s it’s a bit it’s a

3:03 I just think it’s it’s a bit it’s a bit intense like the white is just very bright I think in my older eyes I like the darker contrast between the whites and the dark lights of things we really having some golden nuggets on this podcast so far hey this is the opener man I I use most of my other programs are in dark mode though like vs code yeah oh yeah everything pretty much everything else where there’s a lot of text or reading things is usually in dark dark mode one thing that that I don’t design a lot of is reports with like a dark mode on them that’s been something

3:35 dark mode on them that’s been something that I’ve been I like I like the look of those dashboards and reports like white text on a dark background and those kind text on a dark background and those things but there’s not a lot it’s of things but there’s not a lot it’s much harder to stylize those things because there’s so many things or features and sets and properties to to adjust inside the theme file and if you miss one of them you can’t see the text like so there’s there’s a lot more customization thing that needs to be required to actually make a report that is dark how many clients have you given a dark report to like a dark that’s actually a good

4:05 to like a dark that’s actually a good like that’s a good question but not many yeah maybe one yeah it’s really hard to I’m not advocating for developing all reports in dark mode I’m advocating for the developer experience to be but it like and you’re right Tommy like everything we’ve done visualization wise like it it it it could not work I don’t know but I I do know that I love dark mode and all the other applications so why should this be any different yeah

4:35 why should this be any different yeah but yeah like creating a report in a dark theme is probably one of the more challenging things to do on a visual side yeah I’d say so getting that getting that D in just right the colors I think change slightly and you’ve got to you’ve got to pick different colors yeah I think it takes a bit more of a design ey I I if I am buing reports that are in a dark mode I’m definitely going to hunt off of the internet of who’s got reports that look good in dark mode and I’m using that as a baseline for where I design and build things from

5:05 where I design and build things from I’m not as good as picking up my own you I’m not as good as picking up my own out of my head ideas or designs know out of my head ideas or designs actually I’m not really good at that at all I’m actually really good at copying things I’m actually not really good at creating things from scratch so I know what I like and can find things that I like that’s actually how one of the main backgrounds or the downloads you can get from RBI tips is sunset this one called Sunset I literally just found an infographic that had the colors the way were represented on that I was like oh this is really good and then I basically redesigned the layout and where things

5:35 redesigned the layout and where things needed to fit and how it should layout on the report Pages just by from their color palette redesigned as a as a re-envisioned as a power Bay report so that’s where that came from but again I was like an idea that I had and I was like oh that’s interesting I can evolve that there are some reports I’ve had that I was like there must be a dark mode here everything had the Dark theme and then I actually looked there W everything was manual there was no theme to make it dark they literally change every visual for the xais and I was like this why yeah so much

6:08 this why yeah so much time and one thing one feature that I think is underrated especially if you’re doing things like that one feature in desktop that’s underrated is the paste formatting I don’t think enough people when I teach people powerbi desktop it’s it’s helpful to show them that there is the pace formatting because you can so to your point Tommy people aren’t really comfortable initially in part by desktop going in like let let’s just stylize the them file because it’s a lot harder you have you have to see the visual you have to see the properties you want to adjust

6:38 see the properties you want to adjust but what I have found is if you let people stylize one card you can then go use the format paint format painter and then format paint all those other styled properties onto other visuals which I do think saves you a good amount of time I think they’ve fixed it with the new theme styling but I think like sometime last year whenever I would use that styling Pace in creating my own theme before the theme generator when a lot was still in Json you would get that

7:08 lot was still in Json you would get that popup error saying like the color is not defined do you ever get that it’s like the worst error in the world it will continue to pop up you can’t save anything you can barely quit your application we’re going off the tangent here but I think that’s been alleviated yeah I think they have since fixed it the only other announcement I have here that would be maybe worthy of note here is the announcement has been made that on October 2nd the powerbi 1 drive and SharePoint roll out has begun so you may start seeing interesting

7:39 so you may start seeing interesting details potentially in your powerbi monitoring tenant and or you may find users interacting directly with their one drive and SharePoint now so that’s actually been officially announced it was supposed to roll out in October of this year so the the roll has begun and you’ll start seeing new options there as well as well well that actually goes with our offline conversation yeah Donald Donald brings a good one I can’t can’t believe we forgot because our good buddy Will Will Thompson has his feature out now it’s

8:11 Thompson has his feature out now it’s a data activator that’s true it’s out now fabric right it’s a for for all you folks out there that is a new fabric experience that lets you drive automatic a automatic automated alerts and actions from your fabric data that should be cool that’s in preview Tommy I have you been into a fabric environment recently have you have you gone to look inside yesterday no okay if you go into fabric I believe there is a start of a

8:41 fabric I believe there is a start of a roll out of new icons I did see that the color the style colorized icons are now appearing so we have like something wrong with my browser yeah right is this a bug what’s going on here so there is I don’t know if the colors means something yet I can’t quite discern if they’re supposed to align to like a line of something so there’s like a green you something so there’s like a green the little the data flow Gen 2 know the little the data flow Gen 2 right it looks like it looks like a branching GitHub little icon

9:13 branching GitHub little icon thing right okay so that’s that’s green now notebooks that you find spark notebooks are now green text on a little white background the lake house has like little blue dots now so they’re they’re trying to change the the reports are now an orange or yellowish bar on top of a little item there and then it it feels like the data engineering stuff is like in the green and then the SQL database stuff is kind

9:43 and then the SQL database stuff is kind and then the SQL database stuff is like or storage of data is like blue of like or storage of data is like blue and then they have like reporting which is orange or reddish looking in color so it’s interesting I I I think the colors definitely help for some of the icons for example like the lake house The Lakehouse makes sense the the the the SQL endpoint and the the lake house itself make sense however the data sets there’s no way to see there’s any color on there at all it’s so the icon is so stinking small so I’m

10:14 icon is so stinking small so I’m Still Holding Out for folders Still Still W looking for a folder for stuff cool that you Chang the icons but still need a folder I still have 37 artifacts for one lake house please I still have only been in fabric for one hour and I already have a page and a half of icons so let’s fix that please please continue the color thing please bind a color to a concept I need that it it is it is helping like I definitely think it’s

10:40 helping like I definitely think it’s very it’s much easier to identify what’s going on there there’s a little bit of color all of the gray icons were a little bit H do think I do like the idea that they’re changing that a little bit there but I could still just use folders because I there’s just too much going on it’s just so much too many things happening and you do have the filter option but still I want I don’t want I don’t want that how really as much as I love data flows how many data flow staging warehouses do I need in one

11:10 flow staging warehouses do I need in one workspace right because right now I have seven all of them all of them oh I remember a while ago on on previous podcast we’re talking about hey Michael’s trying to use vacuum does vacuum work yeah yeah you said you said it wasn’t working well okay so Michael learned something this is this is I’ll come back and let everyone know how dumb I was so your there’s two operations you use when you’re using Lake housee things a thing called optimize and the thing called vacuum an

11:40 optimize and the thing called vacuum an optimize stuff takes all the files that you may have all the paret files and says what’s the right grouping of these files so it tries to bring them together so if you have in my example I had 54, 000 small little tiny files a couple kilobytes in size yeah what I did is I ran the optimize I got down to about 18 files and I ran it again a second time and it went down even further down to just two files so I had only two files that that it aggregated all the data into awesome so when you run vacuum the vacuum actually goes looks at the

12:12 vacuum actually goes looks at the definition of your Delta table and says okay what of what of the paret partitions my 54 what of the 54, 000 files can I delete and remove so I literally ran optimized vacuum in the same day same day I knew that the vacuum step required a 7-Day window to hold onto the files but I thought it was 7 days from when the file was created right so I had made these files six months ago they just sat

12:42 these files six months ago they just sat there and then I optimized vacuum expecting them to leave because the file was created six months ago I’m like oh that’s easily seven days old it should disappear not true it actually it’s it deletes the files as of the vacuum date so when you run the vacuum step the day that you do the vacuum on it says okay these files are marked for deletion they could be removed and then when you run the vacuum step later on seven days after you’ve run your initial vacuum it will then go back

13:14 initial vacuum it will then go back through and say oh I now recognize all these files are now older as of the vacuum date I can now remove them so this is to me this in my mind is the pattern of you need to regularly run the vacuum steps multiple times in order for it to mark the files for deletion and then at at 7 days after that moment it then removes the files so it’s it’s pretty technical explanation what’s going on there I didn’t understand it was not when the file was created it was the FI the day the file was marked for

13:44 the FI the day the file was marked for deletion so FYI about that so you’re okay so You’ have to seed the the V the vacuum steps you’re basically like I want to run this correct and even if you would run it daily right what it would do is Mark and remove anything seven days or older correct yes and that was as of your last vacuum date so you so essentially to know good to know right I was just learn again I don’t know how all the little pieces of spark work and like all the the little commands that work

14:14 the little commands that work in there but it does work it did remove my files eventually and I am getting lower amounts of storage accounts now that it’s actually getting rid of some of these files so that is helping I still can’t figure out why my storage account is so high I got to start figuring out why am I storage accounted so much it’s probably these staging data set data flow things that are out there that I don’t know what I have to I I have a creepy suspicion here that if people start using Fabric and they’re not aware of these extra

14:45 they’re not aware of these extra activities people are going to start going why on Earth are my storage costs so high because people are not managing the amount of artifacts or the amount of files that that are appearing into their lake house so I I think this is a topic that people need to be educated on yes it’s really cool yes Delta’s awesome yes Delta Lake came out with some really neat features oh and by the way Chris Webb just came out with a really awesome article around direct Lake and what it’s doing and how fast it

15:15 Lake and what it’s doing and how fast it refreshes it also sounds like when you use a data set that’s living on top of Delta Lake when the Delta table changes itself if it has a revision it automatically signals to analysis Services hey I’m different and as will then go reload the partitions that it needs so it’s it’s pretty like he was showing Demos in his little example of like within two or three minutes of you changing the Delta tables the data set was already refreshed by grabbing new data which was awesome and Incredibly

15:45 data which was awesome and Incredibly fast for loading data which I thought was very very encouraging as well no what I’ve tested with the with the direct link it’s really cool it is still buggy I like again I don’t think it’s still something we should be using using production yet but the times that it has worked it is incredible where you feel like that it’s almost like you’re importing the data into like a manual table in powerbi desktop because it works the same in desktop as it did in service but that being said still still a few bugs at least in what

16:17 still still a few bugs at least in what we currently have available again it’s getting better right it’s not going to be perfect day one again I I keep looking at this going man the business just gets such an amazing tool now like everything that this stuff is doing dude I’m really excited for and now that they’re getting closer to releasing things around One Security which is also dovetailed with the one L elements yeah also really really good very excited to see what that’s going to come out to as well so there there’s some really good parts of this that I

16:49 some really good parts of this that I think really enable the business user to feel very capable I I still think there’s a gap between the existing tools that we have in Azure vers versus what we like a data engineer or data scientist so I’m not quite sure those are there yet but I think it’s definitely closing the Gap quickly they’re definitely producing a lot of features that I think in a period of time this is this is like metrics Tommy right metrics came out I was like not impressed then after about six months a year right they’ve really had

17:19 months a year right they’ve really had rounded out the feature and I was like okay I need to take another look at this again because it’s actually got some features I think I need and I think I think this is going to be the same case right it’s going to get out initially yeah you’re like okay it’s all right I can I can see some value here but then six months a year down the road from now you’re going to be like okay wow this is much more capable than I was expecting initially we talked about I think we’ve talked about this Weir since we no longer have cd ROMs that download install software companies and especially companies like Microsoft don’t have to like release

17:51 Microsoft don’t have to like release something fully gold ready a platinum ready to go with install where it can come out with bugs because they can update it at any time but I think Michael here third person Michael’s trying to avoid the topic for today because this is going to be his favorite topic oh my gosh all right well let’s get into our actual topic because I there’s a million things happening I could go on and on for other things as well but anyways let’s get to the main topic today Seth this is a mailbag today you are our mailbag voice go ahead

18:21 today you are our mailbag voice go ahead it is a mailbag read us read us our mailbag for today and we’ll get into our main main topic I will hang hang on it’s a little longer but we don’t want to stifle the the mailbag entries right no okay so well I’ll try to read through this as quickly as possible but the the opener is good I’m I’m the chief G cook Good Start good start this is GNA be a good one I’m the chief cook and bottle washer in it for powerbi in my subsidiary of my

18:52 in it for powerbi in my subsidiary of my org I’ve shown some business users how to integrate live powerbi pages into PowerPoint and it’s really sparked a lot of interest and I think this could be a very fruitful topic for you three to discuss well thank you I don’t know do we have do we have a no name thank you no name my angle is this I think the corporation that I work for is probably pretty typical in that PowerPoint is the format for all visual communication at a director level and above power bi’s role in this up till now has been either screenshots into

19:23 now has been either screenshots into PowerPoint or data dumps that individuals use to create their own visuals in Excel and then paste into PowerPoint and no one has wanted to give direct access to powerbi apps to VPS let alone our group president because it’s too hard they just want it laid out for them I think a big part of this is really that directors want to be between the data and the execs so that they can interpret it for them and maybe add some business logic that they’re holding a little too close to the vest into into the presentation the intersection between data culture and tribal knowledge some departments are

19:54 tribal knowledge some departments are worse than others about this I think the live powerbi integration into PowerPoint can help break this down a little first it means that all the business logic needs to be directly in powerbi but at the same time it allows commentary to be inserted in the in the usual PowerPoint way of bullet points to that end I’ve created some customer reports on existing data sets that are stripped down no header no company logo as those are in the corporate PowerPoint template and have custom Dimensions to fit the space and PowerPoint better I have them sized so that they take up about twoth

20:25 sized so that they take up about twoth thirds of the slide with one third on the right left right left left for bullet points also since the embedded powerbi pages are still interactive I’m trying to sneakily introduce powerbi functionality to the exact to see them and maybe they’ll ask for access to the original report apps themselves I could go on really could you but what do you guys think do you like this approach do you have any other ideas this is a an amazing question yes

20:55 ideas this is a an amazing question yes and I feel like this is a lot of what I what I what I initially hear and read from this one is we have a lot of habits of how we’re used to looking at data how we’re used to looking interacting with data as we build things so one one thing is I like my static data in images dropped into PowerPoint like no problem like that is that is the way we that’s the way we’ve been doing this for years and then all of a sudden powerbi shows

21:21 and then all of a sudden powerbi shows up and trying to Grapple with what does that how does that enable or change some of our data culture so I’m I have my opinions on this one I don’t think I want to give too many initial opinions yet I will say this will say this I don’t really love dropping the experience of getting powerbi things into PowerPoint is not the easiest ever they’ve been doing a much better job recently of letting you export things

21:52 recently of letting you export things right out of powerbi into a PowerPoint slide deck so you can export it directly but it’s always been an interesting not as smooth as I would like experience and I’ll start there Tommy has a quizzical look on his face seg to Tommy how difficult is the copy and paste a URL no it’s not that right so what he’s saying here is they want static image so right now the pattern is data culture wise yeah we’re going to a report and I’m literally snipping

22:23 report and I’m literally snipping screenshots and dropping them into a PowerPoint slide deck right we don’t want interactive data we want it to be static and I just need the slides that way when we go to our whatever quarterly weekly whatever the review meetings are when we send out these slides to Executives everyone gets the slides the way they want and they again this is an executive perspective right I don’t want to interact with the report you need to tell me what I need to know and it’s got to be on the slide I just got to look at it and see it without having to click and drill through and do different things well I’m trying I’m trying to or ask a question to you

22:54 trying to or ask a question to you about what you just said the experience to get data or reports from powerbi into PowerPoint you said is not the easiest experience so let me ask the question let me let me Twitch switch the question around to you that’s that’s my statement okay Tommy when someone asks you I need to get this report or I need to make this report into a presentation or take these you’ve got the visuals okay this looks great we know what the sales are doing get it into PowerPoint what’s what’s your way of doing that how do you do it today yeah

23:26 doing that how do you do it today yeah so we we go through we show them the insert powerbi shape or whatever the button is in PowerPoint we show them here’s your main page and if you want to filter based on different regions you can actually add a slide for each okay so the user of this says I don’t want any filtering I want a static image of the report in my PowerPoint that’s the requirement so how do you do that requirement but it is but but I’m saying that’s where they’re coming from so to me that’s like where like you have to at least start with where they’re at I can

23:58 least start with where they’re at I can incorporate some extra stuff so to me this is not so much even about the PowerPoint but it’s it’s the idea that powerbi or this new tool is too hard and we’re just using PowerPoint because I’m used to used to and familiar with it just give me the visualization we want at the end of the day they want the data visualization but powerbi is too hard that’s what that’s really to me what I’m seeing is the main point of contention here from the executives is not so much that they would just want a single slide it’s no no no I don’t want

24:28 single slide it’s no no no I don’t want to touch powerbi because that’s it still it’s that idea I I don’t I don’t know if that’s the intent of the question well I think the way I’m reading this is like hey we we PowerPoint slides and data when presented to Executive leadership teams are highly tailored right they’re revised they’re they’re to present very concise concise information to the elt team right so

24:58 information to the elt team right so does it make sense that people are spending time on PowerPoint slides and if there’s a visual they they want added snippet that’s probably the VIS like how you’re taking a powerbi visual and putting it in a PowerPoint slide in in this ecosystem right or wrong but I I think his question here how or the person’s question depending on how you look at this is there seems to be layers here where someone’s producing the report someone else is interpreting it or getting the visual

25:28 interpreting it or getting the visual the way they want snipping it out and putting it in PowerPoint with embellishments or not right and the undertone here is that I read is don’t isn’t it more valuable to just make sure that the report has all of the things in it that’s needed to convey the message and if that’s the case why not just embed embed it that’s that’s what I read Because within here also is like people holding things back right now you could take that in two different ways like

25:59 that in two different ways like especially when you’re talking about executive leadership like presentations one is yeah people are holding things back like like they’re they want to cook the the number or whatever but if they’re already referencing their your visuals off of a report there’s not really anything you’re cooking there right like it is the number maybe there’s some detail around it that they’re adding in the slide so I like the approach of hey yeah creating visual that they could easily snap and then

26:30 that they could easily snap and then have have space on the side so that they can add the bullet points the other part of this that I I’d be interested in your guys’s thoughts around this is I could also construe that as owners these are the owners of this of the number they have to tailor it to the message that they’re trying to convey not cook the numbers but it’s part of a larger message of are we doing well are we not doing well this needs to be on your

27:00 doing well this needs to be on your radar this doesn’t need to be on the radar because within here is the levels of how much do Executives want detail or not want detail and I I think that’s part of part of what is coming through here as well and you need to be cognizant of in PowerPoint and that’s one thing I do agree with on the approach the mailbag author put together where he’s shaping or she’s shaping the the the visuals and even the report for

27:32 the the visuals and even the report for PowerPoint this is no different than demos that I do when it comes to introducing scorecards where it’s like you may not build the report the same way normally would if you want to integrate with the scorecard and I see a lot of that makes sense honestly and that’s actually a great idea to tailoring certain pages on a report for the sake of a PowerPoint slide now yes that being said there’s some really things you can do with that PowerPoint functionality I can do Focus mode on certain visuals from any P any visual so

28:04 certain visuals from any P any visual so there’s a lot more integration than scorecards but it makes sense because you’re trying to introduce the technology in a very slow way regardless about what data you’re communicating because that’s not really to me that’s I don’t want say that’s not the issue here but the the real objective here the real bridge trying to cross is introducing powerbi to the executives to say utilize this I love the idea of building pages that are dedicated solely for the purpose of the end result being

28:35 for the purpose of the end result being into a PowerPoint integration which makes a lot of sense so to your point Mike to your point Seth to me the barrier here is introducing a new technology that someone’s not familiar with and now we’re shaping it and we’re formatting in a in a familiar format so if I if I go back and yeah yes I agree with you I think you’re right there Tommy and I think this a lot of this is for my opinion is so I agree with both

29:05 is so I agree with both perspectives here Seth I think I really agree Seth with your with your area of when you’re walking in like this is where audience I think really matters on how you build the report right so I think the audience of what you’re trying to accomplish influences very much like it’s good to identify that up earlier in the process and say is this report an executive report is this a report that’s going to be coming from an analyst level is this a report so if you’re looking at executive level things right you may have a scorecard that is just a lot of Reds and greens and numbers on the page and that might be

29:36 numbers on the page and that might be enough to to give readings towards the high level of the business and so when I think about PowerPoint PowerPoint to me is really more about telling that story what are the series of thoughts I’m going to graphically show or words I’m going to put down that we’re going to have this consistent story I also feel like when we look at this from a from a from a powerbi side we have to take that storytelling capability and think about powerbi as the equivalent of the storytelling now

30:08 the equivalent of the storytelling now up until recently it was much harder to get static images out of your powerbi slides into PowerPoint so for example like this is why like what Seth was saying earlier you’re crafting the powerbi report like it was a PowerPoint slide slide deck for example what I find in executive level leadership for reports when they have their slide deck it’s literally the same slide deck every time here’s this here’s the pattern we’re going to go through I’m going to see this chart every single week and we’re going to monitor how we’re doing against that chart this time over time so it’s

30:40 that chart this time over time so it’s like here’s the cumulative sales for this year comparing to last year it’s like the single chart and if we look at that chart we can understand this pattern and it shows up every week now from an executive standpoint the report author or the person who’s managing the PowerPoint is like adding some context right there may be some bullet points there may be some action items there may be some here’s what we discussed last week versus what we’re discussing this week where powerbi I think falls apart is powerbi is really good at presenting data but it’s a lot less capable as far

31:10 data but it’s a lot less capable as far as presenting like Rich Text on page that you can easily update and have conversations about as here’s my key action items and things because I don’t want to have to my opinion here is as a report author I don’t have to go in and make key actions and deliverables inside a data set or a SharePoint just to get them into the data set so I can get load load it to the report there’s too much work for that the ease of just dropping dropping into PowerPoint and just typing out we’re going to do this this time here’s here’s why we’re behind we lost this job

31:41 here’s why we’re behind we lost this job or this deal this is why we’re seeing these numbers dip right so you’re you’re adding more context to the report page that’s directly inside PowerPoint so in my mind here I’m thinking build the report figure out what those visuals are that you’re regularly going to use and I I would probably try to merge two

32:03 and I I would probably try to merge two things right I would start with here’s the powerbi report built as if it was a PowerPoint slide deck I would give myself areas of white space to be able to go back into PowerPoint and have textbox where I need to I could export it over and over again the downside of this is you get a brand new powerbi you get a brand new PowerPoint slide deck every single time so like when whenever exporting from powerbi you get a brand new slide deck and you don’t get to keep data from your

32:33 and you don’t get to keep data from your previous slide deck and just update things if you if you heard in the the comment in the mailbag there was this idea or this concept around hey if I go dump data out to excel I can have the static visual inside Excel showing up in PowerPoint and I can just hit refresh this Excel visual so you can go to excel change what you got to change and just have that one visual appear or update itself for data I feel like that’s more of what we need like I want to be able to pluck from this report here’s the visuals I care

33:04 this report here’s the visuals I care about I want them a snapshot in time go refresh that visual right now in the PowerPoint slide deck and be done with it like don’t refresh it as like an image almost right here’s my data I’m going to refresh the the visual in the PowerPoint slide deck it gives me the most recent data takes the visual and then flattens it down to like an image so I don’t need a connection to power. com to get up to work you you can in a you you can do that the functionality is there I can take any report page or my dedicated one focus

33:36 report page or my dedicated one focus into a certain Visual and that’s what shows up in my slide deck is that certain visual that’s live connected no one’s the wiser I’m bridging a knowledge Gap I’m telling you I don’t want they don’t want it live connected that’s the thing I’m saying no one would know the executives wouldn’t know because it’s already enlarg it’s an enlarged view of that certain visual that’s already connected but does that visual work unless they’re signed into powerbi. com if they don’t have a license if they don’t have parbi Pro I don’t think that works it asks you to sign in to see the visual if you’re already signed into

34:08 visual if you’re already signed into office at that point I’m assuming that they’re going to be signed into powerbi that’s part of the integration that works incredibly well I think I think I think this is the friction that we’re talking we’re fighting that yeah but I to me the Excel is an even worse version because you’re still connected to some Excel file to update that visual why wouldn’t you just go to the source enlarge that Visual and it looks the same and then if someone wants more information it’s like oh by the way I’m going to bridge the knowledge gap for you if you want more details about that visual click here but it looks the same

34:39 visual click here but it looks the same but I think your I think your I think your your lens of how you’re seeing this is you’re coming this as a powerbi developer knowing how all the tools work I think when you come at it from an executive standpoint who’s been used to only just getting PowerPoint slide decks and not having to interact with things and just getting static IM throughout the report I think there’s to your point it appears to be what you’re saying there yes you could do it I think there’s an appearance of it’s complicated I just want my static image just give me my report that I need every

35:09 just give me my report that I need every single week let’s not change our existing process let’s keep it as consistent as possible normally I wouldn’t push back this much but this one I feel like I have to a bit because I I could not disagree more I can enlarge focus on a single visual nobody knows this is from Power be what are you disagreeing with the fact that if I use powerbi now all of a sudden I’m the powerbi person I’m not seeing this from an executive view that I’m not seeing this that so you’re you’re you’re pushing that all you should be

35:39 pushing that all you should be integrating the PowerPoint into the powerbi I’m saying you can solve the solution in an even easier way than trying to do static images and at the same time Bridge a knowledge Gap because every presentation that shows reporting should be a direct link to powerbi because don’t put words in my mouth I’m not saying you I’m saying the problems that we constantly face where we’re doing static images and they’re creating new slides where but all we want to do is something simple I just want to see one

36:10 something simple I just want to see one bar chart or one trending yep I can solve that problem without someone from an executive or a manager trying to figure out wait where is this connected to and get that same answer with a refresh that nobody has to worry or know about there’s no configuration done if I help set up that slide if you help set up the slide what if somebody else opens up the file if I’m gonna assume they’re gonna already have access if someone I’ve already given access to they don’t have to sign

36:40 given access to they don’t have to sign yeah I understand your assumption but I’m what I’m pushing back a bit is there on your assumption there yes we could make sure that the report author has the capability adding these admin people into parad like you could totally do that right not saying you can’t have that as an assumption already but to me again based on what they’re doing today there’s all that’s the first barrier that I see as far this is an that new thing there’s there’s this idea or concept that everyone has to have this so that way when I do Focus mode a

37:11 so that way when I do Focus mode a visual and get it a single visual into the slide deck we now need everyone to be on the same page and what happens if this ever gets shared with someone who doesn’t have access right and I yes I I completely see that but I also the other challenge here is we’re also trying to adopt powerbi so the in terms of mountains or barriers to climb this is a small hop in terms of quick training or knowledge if the goal here too is we’re trying to get use power behind this data culture stop with the stinking static

37:41 culture stop with the stinking static images do something that’s as simple as this and if someone asks a question it’s a sentence going oh this is just live connected just sign in here if someone has complaining about signing in to Microsoft we’ve got bigger issues again the goal is here not just to integrate powerbi for the sake of integrating powerbi we’re trying to build this data culture correct we’re trying to adopt powerbi the organization and while so there’s a part of me that is like I I think this is contextual right

38:12 like I I think this is contextual right like I think it depends on the presentation because to to Mike’s Point there are there are many slide decks across many areas of the business and a consistent format for how data is presented is one that you can’t argue with it’s the same thing we argue with for reporting I want a consistent theme I want a consistent look and feel here’s how the how everything looks all the time your your time should and is limited with executive teams to convey

38:44 limited with executive teams to convey the most important parts about the count like your area of business so I I do believe that there is a component where snapping an image like having the same static bar and all I’m doing is like capturing what that looks like on a monthly basis because that’s the visual that we see that that goes along with the the the highs and lows whatever because it’s co component to reinforce a point my state of the business my like this major initiative

39:14 business my like this major initiative whatever the case may be I think I I think that is a separate thing could you build that in a report sure I guess but it’s it’s a summary it’s Consolidated there’s going to be a ton of information related to like the bullets and the conversation that happens around it because it’s not necessarily like all going to be laid out in the slide versus I think focused conversations around a particular area

39:45 conversations around a particular area of business that the executive team is very interested in having there I think embedding a powerbi report is a fantastic way to have that conversation because just for for example like let’s say sales sales activities on a bi-weekly basis are a huge Focus point and the executive leadership team wants you to come on and present like what are the win losses over x amount in this time because these are the like

40:15 this time because these are the like major impact drivers for the organization a a report I think would be a fantastic way to to display and have that conversation but it also forces the present present to be extremely comfortable with the data sets so that I think somebody in the comments made it made it a comment here because you can’t find yourself in a position or you don’t want to of not knowing or getting into some rabbit rabbit hole that you don’t have the

40:45 rabbit hole that you don’t have the answer to and that requires that the report you’re presenting is one that you are extremely familiar with and using all the time and I just don’t think that’s the case a lot right but I I also think this is a this isn’t the normal type of presented mode in PowerPoints like I would say nine times out of 10 they’re not going to be that Focus conversation where the executive wants to dive into the details that much and it could be on a higher level now like those those are the how I

41:18 level now like those those are the how I would term like how this question is has been posed which is there are directors or people that are presenting to Executive leadership teams I don’t think this is like a cart blanch like we don’t have any executive leadership dashboards or kpis or things that they have access to it’s it’s the argument of like how do we ensure proper information is getting up to the elt team so let me ask you another question about a feature so if if I’m thinking like requirements or features in order

41:49 like requirements or features in order to get powerbi visuals into report right one of them is refreshing when I need to would be one of my requirements so I know you can embed a visual you can focus mode on Visual and actually the experience is quite is much better than what it used to be right so they’ve done a good job improving that portion getting the visual into the report how do you how does that visual interact with with refreshing for example my data set’s refreshing every night right I’m

42:19 refreshing every night right I’m preparing the slide deck on Monday and then Tuesday comes around does the slide stay the same from what I when I loaded on Monday or does it change and update the data based on the data set as if it was on Tuesday so there’s actually two options that I’ve actually set up one and again you can tell me if this is too complicated for someone which again if we’re trying to adopt the technology I

42:40 we’re trying to adopt the technology I don’t see this as too to too far of a jump too far of a jump okay there’s page level filters that are available in that view and you’re going someone’s going I only want to show last quarter and the next slide I want to use the same visual but this quarter which I’ve got in that scenario so okay copy and paste the slide just go to this filter pane right here in the slide deck already in the slide and just choose q1 and choose Q2 the data will always refresh it’s a live connection to the report so you’re right if I created these slides on Sunday and

43:10 if I created these slides on Sunday and everything looked good and then something drastically dropped the data would change and and I that’s definitely something to be cautious of which rather than a static image which is the save bet but I can easily add that filter pain for someone which is expands choose your one choose Q2 and that way I’m also every date or every month I don’t have to recreate the slides I can also just choose a different date which I would challenge a director would go well that’s easy well that’s I don’t have to ask for someone else to create a

43:40 have to ask for someone else to create a slide deck I just have to change the filter for a region rather than getting someone else to send me another another visual or another static image now if that’s too complicated again for a director then there’s other training there’s on technology and how to use PowerPoint that we have to do that I would challenge but that’s to your point that’s easily how you set a predefined time regardless of the DAT of refreshes okay so I’m not disagreeing with you on this one I’m just making sure there’s there’s capability so I

44:11 sure there’s there’s capability so I feel like again what where we’re coming from is and this is something that I think that I’ve observed is when I’m talking about executive level reporting I want that there’s still this need I think around having that static image just appear right this is this some some companies are using that that PowerPoint slide as a historical record right what was the sales as of this day okay I can go back to that slide the presentation we had and say let’s go back and reference that so to me that’s something that your solution

44:42 me that’s something that your solution doesn’t necessarily Sol solve unless you’ve you’ve pre-thought about it so I think there’s to your point there’s more thought applied to you now need to pick data in the visual and have the data set currently living right so if you’re going to build a weekly slide deck and you’re going to do this for every week to review things right you now have to be thinking ahead and say okay what will what will the data come in what will the visual look like and how am I going to capture all the data that I need so that way over time to your point I can just go in change

45:13 to your point I can just go in change the filter method and then the visual just automatically updates I feel like what I would like to have would be less of that but more of a there’s a connection to par. com okay I’m going to go connect the visual and say okay I’m ready to refresh this visual go take this image go do its job get the data and bring it back in as a static image so it’s almost like another like layer on top of this again that’s probably very nuanced I think Microsoft is wise in not letting you do that because they do want you trying to build

45:43 do want you trying to build these dynamically always updating it always has the right information in the slide deck so that that I’ll say is a good way of probably solving that problem well if if we want historical visual images I think my Epson W4 Workforce Pro printer could solve that exactly but but there’s the other problem I’ve been in companies where they print everything out too that’s also happened what yeah it is Wi-Fi so it is pretty pretty fancy but but no but you there are the and I

46:15 but no but you there are the and I also do understand too I’m not saying this like if you don’t do this you’re behind the internet goes out and you still have to present something oh guess what there’s no all of a sudden your images are gone I get you want that you want that safekeeping especially when during those meetings yes you want that backup of I I know what I know I know what it’s going to look like corre I don’t want anything change it God forbid something actually happen and I totally get that I totally get that that being said again like if we’re trying to introduce powerbi es

46:47 trying to introduce powerbi es especially to the executives high level dashboards I don’t need them to do drill through I don’t need them to click on anything correct but I want them to use the data that we’re utilizing ing as the organization our corporate level metrics our certified data sets there’s a point to that and if we’re trying to again bridge that knowledge Gap not just in PowerPoint but what a great Avenue for executives okay so is this your like to to the other point of that question he he ends with like hey do you have any other ideas right and and we’ve been

47:18 other ideas right and and we’ve been talking about PowerPoint but how do you how do you break down those barriers or like showcase powerbi is it by taking in ramming it into PowerPoint presentations as as a first step or or how like what are some methods that are around this that might be more beneficial or useful everybody loves embedding everyone loves embedding and SharePoint still I don’t know why but that’s still like a commonality it’s like well no we want my mind I know I

47:49 like well no we want my mind I know I know it’s still like almost like the it’s like Excel than SharePoint so but that that almost speaks so to that people are just familiar with the technology that they already have or had and regardless of yes and yes and no I I think there’s more here’s where I’m trying to lead with a question probably in really poor way landed in ambiguous land I think if I’m thinking about like how we’re this approach is pushing powerbi into a PowerPoint and I think

48:19 powerbi into a PowerPoint and I think where I would want to be is Executives asking for PowerPoint in in power power in PowerPoint right from the standpoint like it it doesn’t sound like there’s enough value created yet or maybe to your point maybe there needs to be an executive level dashboard right is there a like have you tailored specific reports for elt so that the elt understands how valuable powerbi is and

48:49 understands how valuable powerbi is and the numbers and the over insights that they’re getting from this rolled up like thing it’s driving conversations Etc and have you tailored some of the reports for mobile because if some if there if there’s a place for mobile it would be in kpis and elt always always on the Move Y and if it if there are the five numbers that they care about on a daily basis and they can hit them anywhere you win and if you do if you like this is part of that data culture thing I think the more

49:19 that data culture thing I think the more you introduce on any level the the power of insights data with powerbi which can support all of these things it’s just a matter of like where do you plug in to make it an invaluable part of somebody’s daily exercise right yes then you get to the point where it’s okay I I really appreciate the presentation I recognize that that’s a powerbi bar chart why don’t you just show me the report right or I like that you’re doing that screenshot but what I’d really like is

49:50 screenshot but what I’d really like is you to work with so and so so that that’s part of my daily right I want that in my mobile I want that right you that in my mobile I want that right so it’s it would drive more of the know so it’s it would drive more of the conversation around making sure all the business logic is in your data sources and in your reports because there really shouldn’t shouldn’t be extra stuff like I’m never presenting something that’s like okay well the number is this but this and this and this and this and this and it’s really not that number right no the number and your your your

50:21 right no the number and your your your data in that graph and whatever should be supported 100% because that’s the number right so I I do see that like there’s a lot of nuance in here but overall like to me I wouldn’t be driving into PowerPoint so much as driving into like the levels of making invaluable reports so that everybody starts talking about how they want to ingest data from where what’s certify where can they where can they

50:53 where can they where can they make sure that what you’re presenting aligns with everything else in the business and the more you invest as an organization in certified data sets in data quality in governance in all of these these things of course directors or VPS or Executives on any level are going to be like well I I we’re investing in that I know it’s the good stuff I don’t want you presenting your Excel numbers I want the good stuff and I know that that’s in these reports right it’s like you have to create the demand for the reporting

51:24 to create the demand for the reporting you have to it’s it’s the it’s the producing the value proposition that just slide Deck with images is above and beyond just that it’s it’s our weekly meeting with the with the slide deck and moving forward through things it’s funny Seth the two amazing points imagine the wow factor showing that one bar chart or that one kpi and someone going this is great I wish I could see this and our other kpi go you mean this and you go out of expand View

51:55 mean this and you go out of expand View and you have this tailor dashboard you could take the rest of the year off no but but this is what I’m saying though this is what I’m saying like it by by by creating value business value and insights because that’s what we’re doing regardless of the tool yep you you you put yourself forward into a position where at some point when something’s being presented or as you’re having these conversations and you’re like hey by the way did we can embed this in your PowerPoints power Point

52:25 this in your PowerPoints power Point text really like yeah in the next one right like let I’ll I’ll embed this this will be this screen this will be this blowout thing whatever whatever and then you’re coming from a place of I absolutely know what you’re trying to do for me so even if I get into this clunky weird experience where I’m now opening the PowerPoint because you’re not presenting it and I’m not signed in and I have to sign in I know why and I’m okay with that because it’s taking me directly where I want to go it’s showing me the data from where it where it’s trusted and coming from versus just

52:58 it’s trusted and coming from versus just something that’s on on a slide but at the same time like if it’s something that’s being presented multiple times over right like why why wouldn’t they just access the report right and you get to that and I you a big point that you said too is I think you have to tailor especially initially the reporting Solutions towards what the PowerPoint is

53:21 Solutions towards what the PowerPoint is going to be we’ve done the same thing with scorecards where we’ve literally kored create a reports with the intention that this is the end result of this is going to be the scorecard and it’s just everything on the reports supplementary if that’s the correct word if I said that correctly to the scorecard where rather than trying to integrate it the other way it’s like we’re g to try to fit a scorecard into an pre-existing report and the more I think about this too that tailoring the the PowerPoint of tailoring a report that dashboard that visual to support a

53:52 that dashboard that visual to support a slide or to support a a session or or a slide deck makes perfect sense and is what a great bridge into getting people more familiar with powerbi where every slide every visual is supporting something already on a pre-existing slide deck especially from an executive point of view rather than showing them this giant clunky report where of course there’s going to be that complication of course there’s going to be the more questions and answers but creating a a powerbi report that’s pre-existing for

54:23 powerbi report that’s pre-existing for an executive leval dashboard everything supporting what’s already on a slide deck integrating that high level Visual and then if anyone does have a question about a certain whether it’s the static image or that bar chart or that kpi it’s like well L’s you we can dive into it if we need to we can here’s the supporting information here’s the countries that are supporting that sales figure that are simply supporting each slide deck that that’s a lot of work but if you’re again if you’re doing this from an executive level point of view and you’re

54:53 executive level point of view and you’re trying to bridge that adoption it almost is almost illogical not to I think where I’m going to go on this one is I agree with that point Tommy and I definitely think there there is a education and or culture shift occurring right it it is letting people understand the value that you’re getting from this is measurable enough to say we’re willing to take that the jump here and I think practical examples of like

55:23 practical examples of like what’s going on here right okay go go to your report I think there’s a partnership between if I if I was going to approach this I would start with my my strategy would be is let’s try to produce the right reports for executives that they can see every day it’s on their mobile devices right it’s going to take us some time to get there until we actually have like here’s the data embedded on your device every day it’s refreshed it’s good to go you understand what you’re trying to look for and it’s repeatable my initial step is I’m going

55:53 repeatable my initial step is I’m going to start with building my PowerPoint point my my powerbi report as if it was the slide deck right I’m going to build all the style the right way I’m going to build like I’m going to literally look at my slide deck and say okay I’m going to step back and say Here’s all the pages in my slide deck how can I build replicate them one by one inside powerbi now I might get a little bit creative where I I start blending the two together slightly where I say okay there’s a large text box here and we’re capturing data from the last report and I got to copy it over so what I may do is I might have a couple slides where I

56:24 is I might have a couple slides where I put visuals on the hand side of the page and I leave a little bit of white space at the top or the bottom but I’m thinking through right I want static images from this report and what I’ll do is I’ll build my five 10 page powerbi report and just expect that I’m going to dump out the report to images that will be loaded into PowerPoint great that’s my starting point you have an intro slide you have all your normal slides you have like you literally build the slide deck as you could see as much as you could inside powerbi that’s my first step I think my second step Tommy is I

56:54 step I think my second step Tommy is I like your IDE idea around saying okay we’re now going to add some slides at the end where here’s the here’s the report page that’s interactive right so if there are maybe it’s in the appendix right here’s the appendix and there’s a couple extra things that are living in there that are more interactive right here’s a visual that I can go refle refresh and it just gets the newest data and it’s inside the report so that might be another one where the appendix becomes I start sneaking more embedded elements of powerbi into the PowerPoint slide and we see how that goes over

57:25 slide and we see how that goes over right if it if it goes well great if I get ribbed for having that extra stuff in the appendix and they’re like I I don’t like it then you can take it out right so then you don’t have to expose that but I I really like your point Seth I think the goal here is we’re talking about data and insights that spans further than just a series of slide decks so if we can understand the need of those Executives we can also have conversations or have other things right there may be one or two

57:56 things right there may be one or two Executives that actually likes this maybe you start with them first start start working with them say hey look did this all came from something else I’ve already pre-built would you like me just to share you the report and by the way you can get on your iPad you can get on your mobile device whatever let’s refine what you need to see and so the idea is you have to use my the the opinions of other Executives hey Tommy’s doing this great thing and maybe he’s showing other Executives he’s having that relationship there right he can leverage that

58:26 there right he can leverage that relationship or she could leverage that relationship and say Here’s what I’m doing here’s I’m getting the data right now and maybe while you’re looking the slide deck someone’s got a phone up and they’re looking at the actual report and going yeah this makes sense and other people are observing that and then from there you’re able to get that data culture to start moving forward so I I think the end goal for data culture would be is we stop doing slide decks on things and we start focusing more on let’s go to par. com let’s look at the reports that are there

58:57 let’s look at the reports that are there dang it that was my ending point sorry no it’s it is it is exactly where I go right I I would say in in final thoughts each each presentation PowerPoint is different right like not everyone is for an embedded case for powerbi correct because more often than not the higher up you go those conversations are highly summarized they’re but very focused on particular areas so I think powerbi can be a huge benefit to the conversation but could also be a huge distraction depending on what type of presentation

59:29 depending on what type of presentation we’re we’re doing so choose the right place for embedding in in PowerPoint and to to Mike’s final point my my mind would be push for creating value in other methods right with mobile other ways in which they they start interacting and see the value behind the the information and insights you’re providing and eventually Drive the cono into powerbi away from PowerPoint right like right that’s the thing because ultimately if we’re having conversations about data about UPS Downs whatever then

59:59 about data about UPS Downs whatever then to Mike’s Point like start in a summary Slide Man right here’s the high level and if something’s down I want to know why okay boom drill into it oh here’s this next level why is that Doom Dr that and that’s a fantastic conversation because the value there is not oh I’ll bring that next week no the value is I’m we got the answer in the meeting and everybody knows it now we can all make an now we can all make a decision now instead of having a delay and that is that is the most important thing is you

60:30 that is the most important thing is you that is the most important thing is figuring out how to convey enough know figuring out how to convey enough information or all of it to the point where you’re leveraging the the most strategic area of a business to make a decision and if you can bring more decisions into a meeting where these people all are which is probably the most expensive meeting of of the day yeah then then you win you’ve got to be efficient especially if something’s read you better someone better be able to speak to it and if you

61:00 better be able to speak to it and if you get immediately do that yeah and my last point is it risky to do this is it riskier than just static images sure it is I’ve seen Executives who are averse to data run out of rooms and horror if there’s too much data in a slide deck but that being said these are also the same group of people that you can latch on as potential executive sponsors who have the resources and to give you more budget if you find executive sponsor if you find someone in this room who loves this or is wants to learn more about

61:30 this or is wants to learn more about this guess what you now have more resources and more Firepower towards that that adoption I I like those answers and and I will say this the experience of embedding visuals is really good there’s a lot of great techniques I would definitely play with it play with embedding visuals play with embedding images play with embedding a visual tweaking it and then inside so there’s a whole bunch of another features the the frame that they use in PowerPoint is actually quite robust you can take a visual and you can snap an image of that

62:00 visual and you can snap an image of that visual in PowerPoint and get an image out of it so I’m finding even now as I’m learning through this and playing with some stuff like there’s a lot of capability for you and you could do a lot of sneaky things where you have hidden slides that have the actual visuals on them and then you can like copy them out and go and and paste them in so I do think this is a neat feature I think more organizations are going to want to ask for or have already they’re used to PowerPoint they’re want to get more RBI things in them as well so I think this is an opportunity for many organizations but I think it’s going to be up to the report author thinking

62:32 be up to the report author thinking through how do I marry the relationship between powerbi and data and what the slide deck needs to do you really need to think like how can I build them both together knowing that they’re two distinct tools all right with that we really appreciate your relationhip we talked way too long and maybe my intro was too long this morning but this was a great topic I think there’s a lot of food for thought here around PowerPoint slides and powerbi and where they intersect if you like this conversation we really appreciate if you would share this with somebody else if you have someone else who loves

63:02 you have someone else who loves PowerPoint and likes data maybe please share this with them and they could give us some other feedback write down in the comments if you are listening to this after the fact let us know what your thoughts are are you doing this are you finding success with how you integrate your powerbi and PowerPoint together and are you also seeing a data culture shift anyways some food for thought some interesting topic around how this relationship works together Tommy where else can you find the podcast you can find us on Apple Spotify or wherever you get your podcast make sure to subscribe and leave a

63:33 make sure to subscribe and leave a rating it helps us out a ton do you have a question idea or topic that you want us to talk about in a future episode head over to powerbi. com was a really good one I like that good job Tommy that was a nice outro there all right cheers everyone we’ll talk to you

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