System Oversight & Fabric – Ep. 267

System oversight is where Power BI adoption either scales cleanly—or quietly turns into a support and cost problem. In Ep. 267, Mike, Tommy, and Seth walk through the System Oversight section of Microsoft’s Power BI Adoption Roadmap and translate it into what admins and platform owners actually need to do week-to-week.

The core theme: instrument first, then govern. Use monitoring to understand real behavior (exports, refresh patterns, capacity contention), set policies that match your organization’s risk tolerance, and document decisions so users always have a clear path to success (not just a disabled button).

News & Announcements

• Power BI adoption roadmap: System oversight — A strong framework for tenant operations: what to monitor, how to structure admin responsibilities, and how to keep governance aligned with adoption and enablement.
• Submit a topic idea (Explicit Measures Podcast) — Have a real scenario (capacity pain, governance debates, Fabric questions)? Send it in and the team will unpack tradeoffs in a future episode.
• PowerBI.tips Podcast — The full back catalog of Explicit Measures episodes, plus links to subscribe.
• Power BI Theme Generator (Tips+) — Generate and manage report themes so formatting standards are easy to apply across teams (especially helpful in managed self-service environments).

Main Discussion

The Adoption Roadmap frames system oversight as day-to-day admin work that supports three outcomes: governance, user empowerment, and adoption. The episode’s practical point is that oversight is not just “security” — it’s how you make the platform predictable for users and sustainable for the business.

Key takeaways:

• Don’t govern from a surprise toggle. If you disable a capability (workspace creation, exporting data, Publish to web), publish the reason and the approved path to get access (training + request + approval).

• Review tenant settings as a living product backlog. Settings aren’t “set once”; treat them like product configuration that evolves as adoption, risk, and Fabric capabilities change.

• Roll features out with security groups. The move from all-or-nothing settings to group-scoped enablement is the difference between safe experimentation and tenant-wide chaos.

• Create a clear ownership model for workspaces. Use workspaces as the unit of accountability (who is the admin/member, who owns the semantic model, who owns downstream reports) so problems can be routed quickly.

• Capacity monitoring is table-stakes. “Noisy neighbor” behavior (heavy exports, bad refresh schedules, oversized models) will happen; oversight is the only way to spot it early and keep everyone else productive.

• Centralize standards, not bottlenecks. A CoE can define global policy and guardrails, while business units can administer their own capacities as long as they align to shared standards and participate in the governance cadence.

• Follow the money (and the skills). If a business unit funds a capacity, they should have a say in administration — but you still need training and a backup admin plan to avoid single-point-of-failure support stories.

• Automation is part of oversight. For mid-size+ tenants, REST APIs and telemetry aren’t “nice-to-have” — they’re how you answer basic operational questions consistently.

Looking Forward

This week, publish a simple “Tenant Settings + How to Request Access” page (with owners and SLAs) so every common admin question has a documented answer.

Episode Transcript

0:28 [Music] n good morning welcome back everyone to the explicit measures podcast with Tommy Seth and Mike hello welcome back all right good morning good morning happy Tuesday there we go good morning our session today or session session I feel like I’m doing a training class at this point time today our topic is all around powerbi adoption and particularly off the powerbi adoption

0:59 particularly off the powerbi adoption road map we’re talking about system oversight how to know what people are doing with your powerbi environment what monitoring features are there that are out there and what does this look like for you an admin of your environment this is an article that comes from the Microsoft adoption road map super great article very long lots of reading in this one so there’ll be lots of things to talk about discuss and with this comes a lot of opportunity for tooling or things you could build to help you monitor your powerb environment

1:29 help you monitor your powerb environment this is going to be very relevant for those admins who have the control around what’s going on in their environment Let’s let’s talk the news so let’s go jump into the news here any news items any worthy news items we should talk about here as well kick us off yeah officially now it’s official officially official data sets are now semantic models we’ve talked about this a little already but now on the powerbi blog by our very good friend Christian Wade data sets have

1:59 friend Christian Wade data sets have have been renamed to semantic models everywhere no longer dat set yes y so clicky cliy semantic model is now a thing it’s a great t-shirt it’s gonna be thing clicky clicky I actually it’s fitting that that Christian was the one that posted this because I think throughout the years every conversation he always started was like the DAT tode well the semantic model right like so he always had to say it anyway that’s true and now and now it’s just

2:31 that’s true and now and now it’s just we’re all talking the same language so I wonder in all reality if he drove this change maybe I I think on a Twitter thread I went I was joking around with him he said hey it’s announced it’s you him he said hey it’s announced it’s semantic a semantic model now and know semantic a semantic model now and I’m like okay cool and I said well now we have cookie clickie semantic model I made the joke and he goes That’s the official name of it that’s actually the the real that’s what we call in house in also I he I think someone on that

3:01 in also I he I think someone on that chat thread that he had thrown out there someone was mentioning like it’s probably just going to get abbreviated down to the model so people will drop the word semantic and when you’re talking talking about it in like writeups or documentation you’re probably going to see the semantic model and now you’re going to look at it going just calling it the model which actually I I honestly I already call it the model already and I don’t call it a data set I call it the data model I’ve actually yeah it’s a great point I’ve never called it the data set I’ve never called

3:31 called it the data set I’ve never called it data set when I’m talking about the model yeah we deploy the model and then you’re interacting with the model and it’s like so I’m happy they actually made the change yes because to to his point even in the blog can you imagine that conversation in the fabric ecosystem I’ve created the data set just connect to that which one which one well the data set in this area well how does that compare to the data set in that area like it does the default data set which data set are we talking about so it it definitely it definitely makes

4:03 so it it definitely it definitely makes more sense we’ve had some customers also starting to build out things inside fabric but is getting very interesting because the business we’ve been say I’ve been saying this for a long time now fabric is a great move for the business user the business user can do so many more things now in areas they’re comfortable with yeah they may know a little bit of sequel yeah you might want to write some views but man does it make it very easy for you to like at scale with lots of data copy things do

4:33 with lots of data copy things do Transformations mature these data tables man this is these are tool and I was I was trying to work this through with the client they’re like what is fabric why is it all dude literally nothing’s changed from a powerbi side we still have data sets we still have reports all that is the same so how we share or distribute content no no issue all we’ve done is we’ve added like instead of doing just power query on the back end to shape data we now have like 10 things to shape data yeah and they

5:03 10 things to shape data yeah and they all work together in like a very interesting Dynamic way so I really like this this new story around Fabric and I think it’s i’ I’ve liked the synapse and powerbi story before now that they’ve just killed synaps and moved all those things over to powerbi directly making it much easier for me to spin stuff up man I really like it well so here’s the question in in the lake house it creates a default data set okay which is is now that a default semantic model yes okay yeah it would have also

5:36 model yes okay yeah it would have also be default semantic model that sits on top of the lake things are things are still interesting and I’ve been challenged with some things like questions around like there are some features that are intill in powerbi the old like powerbi original like data flows data flows gen two how’s that going to you can still use them in both places but now it’s a little bit confusing for users because they’re like well which one should I be using I have this thing called a data mart but I also have this

6:07 called a data mart but I also have this thing called a warehouse so which one should I be choosing they seem to do a lot of the same stuff I I wonder too if the name and this is a roundabout analogy here but of the it sounds like almost like a downgrade to what we consider the data set I I’ll Steve Jobs when he came with iCloud he said oh yeah your comp computer used to be the Hub that’s where all your stuff came in when we’re downgrading the computer and we’re just calling it the PC and now you have the cloud that’s where everything connects

6:37 cloud that’s where everything connects to data set’s been so powerful for us that’s been the center of our universe yep semantic model it’s like okay just it sounds like just another Cog in the giant fabric wheel now it is it still the centralized point of everything we do I see what you’re saying yeah I see you’re saying there there is let me let me restate what you said said how I understand it and you can correct me if I’m wrong here usually works you’re wrong there there is a large amount of gravity around the thing called the data set because that was the

7:08 called the data set because that was the central item where everything hang hung off of the data set yeah right with fabric we now have a full lake house with lots of tables in it so and we we have a data set with lots of tables in it when you connect to things I’m always connecting to the data set previously now I’m connecting to the data set and maybe the default data set and maybe pulling out some data from Lake House tables there’s potential for excuse me other areas around here that are like

7:38 other areas around here that are like the the the gravity of just the importance of just the data set is not as important because now there’s other things in there that are maybe as important maybe more important than what the data set was doing does that is that may Point our world no longer revolves around the data model data set yes right and I I would agree with you I think the answer is yes I think we’ve this is this is what remember man as I think about the progression of what powerb has done it started with here’s easy to build reports here’s easy

8:08 here’s easy to build reports here’s easy to build and share data sets that was our initial foray so we had to like work with it or work with Central Tech to get those tables into like a data flow maybe or get them into the data model so that was that was where our world began our world began with the relationships the semantic model and then the reporting what we’ve now added is we’ve added one layer deeper closer to where we where traditional it tools would be focused right we’ve gone Upstream even further and said okay now

8:38 Upstream even further and said okay now you can engineer your own data here’s a rich set of tools that it is already using or should be using now business you can use it too we we’ve we’ve pulled the veil we’ve pulled the line back further closer to where raw data can live which I think is a a great a a great decision anyways yeah yeah I agree with that as well I I think the the the mental shift for business is I guess going to be one where like you could already

9:08 where like you could already do Transformations you could already connect to different sources but yes like the you you had a limited set of tools that were specifically designed a and narrowly focused to just populate models yeah whereas now I think fabric also opens the door which is also going to challenge business I think to some degree where you’re you are lighting up those different tool sets that allow you to do the same things extract data transform it load it however I think now

9:41 transform it load it however I think now now with these other tool sets these are Enterprise tool sets that you could get a lot more reusability out of I think and scale with right and I think that’s what it offers above and beyond the tooling that was created to solve those problems in the powerbi ecosystem itself now you can start to solve those problems across those different services within this new ecosystem so I think it it it’s it’s definitely a step in the

10:12 it it’s it’s definitely a step in the right direction but yes we’ll challenge how business understands this thing that they’re probably just adopting within the last year or two right and now getting thrown into the mix of welcome to the new way technology is created right we launching products every five to 10 years very true and and I think this also the the direction of fabric going aligns very well with Matthew roach’s maximum which is transform the data as

10:43 maximum which is transform the data as far Upstream as possible yeah and as far Downstream as necessary so this really does give the business more power to shape the data earlier in the process

10:52 shape the data earlier in the process which makes things way more efficient Downstream so this this really does fit the pattern I think I also I also like it because because I think it offers more opportunities to solve the the quick business problems as opposed to pulling it into these streams of tool sets that we had to Prior I I I already have a topic episode I just added to our board it’s going to be do we need fabric because with all of this I I’m just constantly thinking about the downgrade of the semantic model the downgrade of the normal workflow like I

11:24 downgrade of the normal workflow like I wonder if that’s still going to exist can you survive with just powerbi in general can you survive with just a semantic model and data flows or do we need fabric now I I don’t I don’t think there’s an immediate need to migrate and I don’t think Microsoft is saying that in any place it’s just this is a new type of service that incorporates powerbi and it’s not removing any of the capabilities of powerbi no and that that’s the crazy thing too we we know that powerbi works very well in those ecosystems yeah I

11:56 very well in those ecosystems yeah I think this just takes it to the next level you may never have to integrate or engage with the the large scale Services behind the scenes and you may just keep your powerbi inance the way it’s rocking right now like sure it’s not like you have to incorporate all this into your workst streams the fact that it’s there yep is is really key it’s really cool because there is data volumes are just growing they’re not getting smaller that

12:27 growing they’re not getting smaller that was one Epiphany I had like six years ago when I was working in a big Fortune 150 company yeah they kept saying like more data is being generated more and like dog on it now more than ever I’m like yeah it is and it’s becoming easier and and easier my my opinion on this one is when people started making or when people when organizations started using the application protocol interface apis everywhere like and this whole idea or this concept around a micr service showed up do something small but do it

12:57 showed up do something small but do it really really well all the these all these features of the internet now now that the internet is getting cheaper to run it’s less cost for internet speed speeds are going up very high when you bring down when you bring down the cost and you bring up the speed of internet you have so much more Innovation that can be happening things can happen at a much higher speed and rate so this is where Innovation comes from so this is really exciting for me because I I really feel like we’re we’re in a place right now where the data volumes are going to be ever increasing it’s going

13:27 going to be ever increasing it’s going to keep getting there’s going to be more and more and more devices making more data you’re going to have to get smarter and smarter how you manage your your information and these are this is the new methods by which we can cheaply Aggregate and work on top of large amounts of data I don’t know a lot but here’s one thing I do know I have about two weeks of half day training coming up there’s a lot of slide to have to change now for fabric yeah true right now just a semantic model oh yeah true even even

13:57 a semantic model oh yeah true even even if I was on a powerbi island I have a lot to change that’s true very very true one other article here from a news perspective is another news article here found from Gary this is also this is on LinkedIn so it’s a little bit harder to get you have to be signed in to Lincoln to see this one for this is from Gary talking about hey what let’s imagine you have a chargeback model right so a chargeback model for those who not understanding this is you have a large fabric instance running and you have

14:28 fabric instance running and you have many different teams looking at that fabric instance and you need to understand okay each team is using a certain amount of cus capacities on this stuff so how do you identify which team members or which workspaces are using what information so Gary wrote a nice little statement here and he was using it through Powershell but I believe you can also use this through Samantha link as well when you connect to the xmla endpoint you can write run this query against it I believe also the API that would let you write queries

14:59 API that would let you write queries against the xmla endpoint this should potentially work there as well but in here he defines go grab the capacity ID grab all the metrics by item and by operational day and then grab today minus one information so grab yesterday’s information and then you can store it so I have a monitoring solution for organizations already that has been built to help you monitor all the apis that Microsoft provides you but in addition to that this is a great another addition and and this is another area

15:30 addition and and this is another area where you could say look I need to know which cus are being used across which team this is the end of that a chargeback model or being able to see what compute is being leveraged by a capacity is huge so this will be very easy to integrate in people’s Solutions but I want to point this one out as well as we think about system oversight governance powerbi this is a really important area to focus on because these are the data points that we’ll need and I would 100% if you’re a

16:01 need and I would 100% if you’re a bigger team in parbi if you’re thinking about buying premium capacities dude man do not start your powerbi journey without having some some monitor in place before you even begin it is it is a you wouldn’t drive your car blind you shouldn’t run your PBI without monitoring plain and simple it should just go hand inand at this point so you’re saying system oversight in powerp is important well let’s transition it’s good thing we’re talking about and there and there so everyone

16:33 about and there and there so everyone has a good article there around a cool statement you can run against XML endpoints with that that then dovetails very well into our main topic for today which is talking through all of our system oversight pieces and powerbi how this is going to work let’s talk about that and the article that came out from Microsoft Tommy kick us off with some initial thoughts man so system oversight just a brief background it is ongoing day-to-day admin activities according to Microsoft there’s three key areas that

17:03 Microsoft there’s three key areas that go into system oversight or that it’s concerned with governance user empowerment and adoption find it interesting it took those three areas but it’s really all the administration tax you think of the admin portal we think of Licensing we think of enablement what people have access to but it’s it’s also the thing the features that people have availability for but it’s also how people get access to techn certain technological pieces how do I get access to a workspace if

17:33 how do I get access to a workspace if I need a new workspace what do I do and so it’s all those areas and this is this is the one where there’s a very delicate dance between we have it controlled we want the control around certain areas but we also don’t want disillusionment we don’t want frustration I’ve been actually saying quite frequently with someone who’s going through this right now that people will go through and this is a mic quote but people will always go the path of least resistance and it’s always true so yeah

18:05 resistance and it’s always true so yeah we do want to restrict a lot a lot of the features maybe initially but you can’t restrict things that people are I don’t want to say expected to do but are part of their roles so that’s really where I think this conversation may go today is that delicate balance so I’m also thinking here so another area of this again talking high level here right this is one of the roles that or or skills that need to be handled at a powerbi level right so there’s there’s many

18:35 level right so there’s there’s many different skills that make up people who need to interact with pb. com people who consume reports people who make reports people who build semantic models now and data engineering right and then there’s this concept of the admin I think there’s a very clear Skillet around being an admin of powerbi the tenant because you need to know where to look for information how to get that information and how to work with users and and to kind work with users and and to lean on this a little bit when you

19:05 of lean on this a little bit when you get into the tenant settings of your organization someone needs to make decisions around can anyone create a workspace who can export data from where is a certified data set allowed to be exported can I build on top of a certified data set there is so much flexibility in the powerb ecosystem the admins should be working with Business Leaders Leaders as part of the Coe figuring out what these policies should look like and I’m a firm believer of turn off a lot of

19:36 a firm believer of turn off a lot of things for many users however I would never really turn everything off for all users there’s usually scenarios or situations where with proper training with the right understanding between those business users and what you’re creating yeah we do want to let some users create workspaces that’s probably acceptable but what are what are the bounds by which we want to play with with that group who’s allowed to make stuff and export data from things what does that look like and let’s talk with those individuals to

20:06 let’s talk with those individuals to make sure they understand why and what they’re exporting so we understand there’s policy around what that means but this is where I think organizations fall down is they don’t have policy they don’t have planning for this and they just blanket turn everything off and users get users get frustrated yeah you can you you definitely see how that would happen but at the same time like if you’re promoting limited access I think when the the things the article does describe well is making sure that you have in a central location a output of

20:37 central location a output of tenant settings or how you’re managing the tenant so that like one of two things happens one is somebody knows how to knows that they could request access to something one and two knows what’s on by default yes because I think the point that makes and and really well is people we’re we’re asking business users a lot of them to scan the web try to understand like what are the capabilities that they can use and they’re going to run across things that

21:08 they’re going to run across things that are going to point them in the direction of I know you’ve turned this off like and if you turned it off and I need it I’m G to go figure out how to do that without you which is exactly what you don’t want one of the interesting points to me though is like you talked about powerbi administrator right managing those tenant settings this is elevating that and I I wonder is does the powerbi admin need to skill up

21:38 the powerbi admin need to skill up because of the new

21:41 because of the new fabric services that they may not be familiar with because what this is promoting is a fabric administrator would be the one that would manage the tenant settings now because there’s more capabilities that users can use most definitely in the Engineering Services and space and space within the workspace so is that one and the same person I don’t know yet because with the admin portal right now there’s only two features right now available in the admin portal that affect fabric

22:12 the admin portal that affect fabric directly turn fabric on or off and I think it’s creating a fabric capacity or trial those are the only two things right now in the admin portal that really affect what someone can do there’s no admin settings around data engineering turning certain like turn notebooks on for certain users or the ability to create a lake house right so from a powerb admin like there’s been more features added but nothing around fabric so this is this is a name change

22:43 fabric so this is this is a name change really realistically at this point right now it’s and and stay up to date new fabric but you’re now the fabric administrator not the power you’re not just the powerbi administrator yeah I think I think we’ll see in the upcoming six months months I I can’t imagine not that we’re going to have an add either a fabric portal like another tab or is just going to be more features out of the admin portal just for all those little fabric capacity or fabric features but right now if you’re a fabric admin you’re you’re an powerbi

23:14 fabric admin you’re you’re an powerbi admin with two fabric features added yeah I do think like I was extremely pleased well disappointed than then please I guess because tenant Tings used to be all on or all off yes and and with the addition and it was a long time with the addition of the ability to do that for groups I think security groups yes is is a was much needed and I’m glad is there because there is limited scope to this stuff that you want to enable or disable within an organization

23:44 enable or disable within an organization have you guys ever when when they’re talking about the roles or the different administrators now have you ever like worked with an org organization where you would need multiple administrators cuz the ones broken down within here are premium capacity right like the the licensing which maybe right Gateway administrator like I okay like if You’ have tons of online or on premises data sources or things that require gateways I could manage imagine

24:16 require gateways I could manage imagine that would be quite the ordeal to manage right and then workspace is you right and then workspace is I I think that falls off into you know I I think that falls off into you own the workspace and you can know you own the workspace and you can do some things but have you ever seen more than more than or is it just like a combined role of different different roles within the same person the only separation I’ve seen is with the Gateway not so much with the admin side usually the Gateway if it’s on a virtual machine is controlled by it but nothing but you and they might have any int I don’t want

24:48 they might have any int I don’t want to say intellect but any knowledge or experience in powerbi they just know hey we need to install something on your yeah we’re at your beckoning call yeah so I would I would say the Gateway is a good breakpoint of someone else who’s managing something separate because it’s it’s on Hardware that’s not necessarily controlled by powerbi you that’s even a potential on Prem lockdown type of Hardware that normal bi users shouldn’t be doing that however I’d also say once the Gateway is installed then it’s a matter of who’s

25:19 installed then it’s a matter of who’s allowed to build connection strings on the Gateway and who’s how are you allowed to delegate that to users of various reports so I think there’s a portion there I definitely think admin and and premium particularly when premium gets up to the level of a large organization where you have multiple premium instances usually there’s someone who’s in charge of working through let’s continue to optimize or make sure we have ears listening to what’s going on in the premium capacity multiple premium capacities require

25:49 multiple premium capacities require someone someone to monitor what’s going on there because users do very interesting things and you find very heavy usage and you’ll get you’re going to get the why is my report failing I’m getting these messages something’s not right and it’s it’s caused by it’s broken it’s not broken you have a data set you’re trying to upload that’s too large or there’s too much contention in the backend refreshing on your premium so you need to stagger everything can’t refresh at midnight like you have to stagger it a

26:19 midnight like you have to stagger it a little bit right so there are things that you need to be considered of when you’re looking at the the premium so I would say those two pieces are very much different there’s also this idea of and I I I teach this one as well with my classes there’s this concept around there should be potentially some of this work Administration that you can offload to a ticketing company a ticketing Central it something a service ticket area yeah for example you could have policies around requesting workspaces you may not let

26:51 requesting workspaces you may not let anyone create them but you probably do need a policy around communicating the K if you want to go get one here’s your business case and we need someone to approve it so there’s there’s lots of what I would call lwh hanging fruits around admin and monitoring and management of more of the artifacts artifacts and my story here is having a clear plan on when you are exchanging ownership of something is very important and when you draw diagrams of the data

27:21 and when you draw diagrams of the data sets and now with the lake fabric Lakehouse fabric warehouses def semantic models okay I’m trying I didn’t know what a data set was so oh sorry yeah I’m using wrong terms for you so in the in that phase right when you’re talking about those different things you’re now trying to manage right delegating this to other people you’re now drawing boundaries between here’s my semantic model here’s a report you made Mr business user there needs to be a transition of ownership

27:51 needs to be a transition of ownership I’m going to own the data set or sorry CTIC model yeah and you will own the report so to me that’s very important to communicate where those responsibility boundaries occur and from a planning perspective this means you have to think more about your workspace design because workspace really is the mechanism by which we hand off ownership to somebody else there’s a few things being said here that I think we cannot be un not underutilized but underrated in terms of

28:22 underutilized but underrated in terms of the importance and this is coming from someone who became an admin at a new organization adopting powerbi when it first came out then coming into one where it was already a wild west and that’s the need we talked about the roles and having a team for whether it’s for request or the backup fun story I was the gate I was basically the admin of all so to speak of the admin portal the Gateway you name it was on vacation went to a Distillery had a

28:54 vacation went to a Distillery had a great time turned out one of the virtual machines which where the Gateway was on that I owned was down and this is early on and very quickly you’re trying to you on and very quickly you’re trying to task tax fix or know task tax fix or go through and audit what’s going on when you’re already a few whiskies in tasting tasting of course which can be a problem which can be a problem and then very early the need even if you a lot of organizations only have like one admin administrator for the

29:24 admin administrator for the tenant or even the capacity it’s like well they know everything but having that team that at least has the knowledge and more importantly the privilege to go through and fix edit or update is huge and I I think that cannot be understated they don’t have to necessarily be the owner but you do have to I think have a team to at least train to also have the privilege to go in and edit I think Joe potentially touches a little bit on your question here Tommy

29:54 little bit on your question here Tommy around this one Joe is asking a question if you have multiple capacities in different business units should you have different admins I think this is a great question and I’m I’m going to give kind question and I’m I’m going to give two answers around this one and kind of two answers around this one and kind of two answers around this one and what I think you’re you’re speaking of what I think you’re you’re speaking here too a little bit Tommy is if you have multiple capacities across different business units I say follow the money if the business unit is paying seriously if that business unit is paying out of pocket for a P1 and they need it for their stuff for their reporting they should admin their own

30:25 reporting they should admin their own stuff it should follow the money so they should be able to be control what goes on there they should be able to control aspects of the performance of that premium premium capacity conversely if you have a central team that’s paying for these bi initiatives and those and the business unit is quote unquote borrowing that premium I think the central team should own the reporting around how performant is that capacity running and helping that those business units

30:55 that those business units optimize that’s just following the money portion I think there’s a second question you must ask yourself is if you give a business unit a premium capacity and they are paying for it do they have the skills to actually manage it that premium capacity and that’s not always the case and that’s usually where someone there’s not enough education done so day one probably no that might have to be help you might have to help manage it from a central team but over time I would hope that you’re investing

31:25 time I would hope that you’re investing in someone in that business unit to actually become familiar with premium and you slowly relinquish more control to that premium capacity especially if they’re paying for it so let’s go through the scenario then that fabric the capacity administrator what do they control do they control the creation of workspaces in their domain they they control who can put that workspace in premium okay on their premium right because if I’m paying for my premium I don’t want other teams trying to use my premium for their projects but they also

31:55 premium for their projects but they also control how many workspaces whatever workspaces are in there and if they do have a workspace in their capacity let’s go through the scenario too with the documentation this is user empowerment governance and culture do they also control the content or are they overseeing who the workpace owners are they’re controlling their domain so they’re controlling workspace owners and admins you see what I’m going with I agree with your I agree with your statement I think if you’re going to pay for the premium that’s the admin portion

32:25 for the premium that’s the admin portion of this one sure need to identify okay again this is around this is the whole story around how do I exchange

32:31 story around how do I exchange responsibility to somebody else if you’re going to have responsibility of these multiple workspaces the central the center of excellence team should come up with the policy around how does this work inside a team the central team should say look we’re going to say one admin one member everyone else contributors because then we know who is responsible for that workspace so for example there’s an admin of the capacity something’s going wrong there’s a workspace you find that has a report in it that’s just doing super bad things

33:02 it that’s just doing super bad things someone’s just dumping tons of data out through Excel and it’s just hogging the capacity that’s that’s going to happen so the the point here is by knowing where that report lives by knowing how many why it’s taking down the system you can now reach out to the owner the member of that Resource Group and say hey there’s a problem here you’re making issues please fix it if you need help we can come in and fix it but the policy of what that looks like the how the teams

33:32 what that looks like the how the teams play well together that is defined centrally doing it is actually I think implemented in the business unit does that make sense like yeah it it totally does and I think it it’s also one of those growup stories depending on the size of the organization right like it probably like in smaller orgs or you probably like in smaller orgs or orgs that are are have one P1 right know orgs that are are have one P1 right it’s going to it’s probably going to come out of the the center the the main business intell Ence team as your organization grows or the adoption of powerbi gets much wider right and used

34:03 powerbi gets much wider right and used more within business units does it make sense that business units start to spool up their own premium capacities and have their own administrators absolutely but they all should be following the same guidance which is where that Coe policies and those things come into play where the experts of understanding that not only powerbi and its architecture but the data and the systems and the things can make recommendations to those teams and say this is how you want to

34:33 teams and say this is how you want to administrator these are the default settings that we’re going to set in the tenant this is how you should apply these things etc etc yeah I think a consequence of having the different capacity administrators without the Coe and I think without the emphasis on the Coe is you can have all these capacities with very different cultures and very different user experiences and that’s yeah so I would wouldn’t I would not say you should have multiple administrators in different capacities all doing random

35:03 in different capacities all doing random things in your totally that it is a recipe for disaster yeah and yes someone may be but the idea is you’re trying to build empowerment but we’re also trying to do it in a way that scales across the entire organization and that’s what this is why I think it’s most important to think about okay when we’re talking about system oversight particularly run capacities you got to have all those leaders hey part of the part of the game we’re playing here is you want your own premium sure no problem but you will participate in the center of excellence we will have quarterly meetings we will

35:33 we will have quarterly meetings we will Define policy centrally you need to have input in that and from that input all again part of the playing well with the ecosystem here is if you it’s a give and take relationship on both sides you get your premium but we’re going to set up these kinds of policies and we’re going to make sure you’re following those things and and we’re going to agree upon what that looks like from a central standpoint yeah and I think just noting some of those centralized standards is who can create a workspace have they

36:03 who can create a workspace have they gone through prerequisite training are they using templates on their reports assigning those roles from the workspace on like not just the contributor and member but who’s owning in the sense the content right because there if you have multiple capacities odds are you’re probably in some type of managed self-service or some you managed self-service or some obviously Enterprise U type of know obviously Enterprise U type of workflow we just had our conversation about manage Sal service so there has to

36:34 about manage Sal service so there has to be part of that governance too but then there’s the other side of that the other side of that is again that the adoption and also how do you actually then grow users in the organization how do you grow users to become either Champions or new powerbi Authors yes yeah and some some people are going to automatically just do this other people are not going to find the value and taking the time to study and grow and and become that expert that you need them to be right so now it becomes a matter of okay how much

37:05 now it becomes a matter of okay how much of this am I just collecting them what’s already there or how much of this am I actually having to push people to go beyond what they’re currently comfortable with and becoming more data Savvy like a lot of people say Excel does everything I need to do I just I just read I literally just read an article yesterday that talking about JP Morgan Chase had a six billion dollar billion B with a billion $6 billion doll error because one of their Excel sheets had a sum versus something else that was

37:36 had a sum versus something else that was calculated and when data was copied between two sheets when someone was making some analysis they there there was a there was an urgency on the business to move quickly people were trying to check the Excel sheet and the the decisions were being made on top of that Excel sheet in a way that caused someone to make a mistake and it was a problem I get that you want to move fast as business I understand but to make a$6 billion mistake because someone didn’t do something right in the Excel sheet is

38:06 do something right in the Excel sheet is a huge Boon and this was an article that’s touted that says look for very important decision-making pieces you need to have more rigor around it than just someone looking at an Excel sheet and i’ I’ve worked in companies that have been billions of dollars in size and we made major decisions based on someone’s work inside an Excel sheet not saying it doesn’t I would say Excel probably runs many many businesses and making very key decisions but there’s a high level of risk that that employ

38:37 high level of risk that that employ one La one quick question around the multiple capacities in multiple administrators and I think I know there’s so many other things in here what are Universal standards across every regardless of capacity regard regardless of the area and what are things that are more capacity owned or like subgroup owned so by that I would imagine that creating an app having a workspace administrator those are all Universal standards who can

39:07 are all Universal standards who can create a data set who can create a report they training those are Universal organizational standards what things that you imagine are more dependent on each capacity or dependent on each kind each capacity or dependent on each subdomain of the of subdomain of the organization well I I think there’s there’s areas of this right so we to think about like what where again I I always think about where do I want to who do I want to control what things right like tenant settings that’s tenent wide like there are some settings that are across your entire organization so

39:38 are across your entire organization so like information protection data loss prevention right these are the these are features that come with powerbi that are just globally set do you want to invite external guest users to your tenant or not there are some there are some large decisions that have to be made at the organization level to say do we care about this one like another one here is where do you want the data to reside do you have any policies across the organ like do you have a company a division in Europe they have different data policies than you do over in the US so you might need a capacity that turns on for all

40:09 need a capacity that turns on for all workspaces in Europe because you need to localize data in that there’s like literally legal implementations legal implications around your data pieces that you might need to consider encryption keys right these are things do you encrypt your data in and you and do you hold your own keys or do you let someone else let Microsoft do it for you those are the key decisions I would say that are very centralized and that need to come from that Center of Excellence team that Central team a lot of this other stuff around workspace management some of the smaller pieces I think is a

40:39 some of the smaller pieces I think is a lot more you can delegate that and again it’s just about making sure there’s a policy in place that says I’m handling this Rel this responsibility to you you are now responsible for this one yeah I I would almost I I agree with you Mike I think the only addition will comment I would make is the those core security area things or where people could potentially get themselves in trouble or would go would go against the the data standards of an

41:11 go against the the data standards of an organization how we operate within them are are I want to centralize as much as possible and put through governance processes right and and that’s like controlling the big pieces where where I’m open to like allowing others to manage other aspects would be in the performance Realms where you have to monitor things that people are doing otherwise you’re going to you’re going to spool up all your costs like there’s a cost component in there that like you you could say is obviously important to

41:42 you could say is obviously important to an organization but it’s not like you an organization but it’s not like we’re going to have somebody know we’re going to have somebody accidentally publish their report of financial numbers to publish the web right like that’s that’s a big oh versus somebody just published a report and it’s consuming 25% of the capacity we should probably solve that or understand and work with them how to you understand and work with them how to mitigate that performance issue know mitigate that performance issue because it’s going to impact others within the organization so like I i’ delineate around those two as far as

42:12 delineate around those two as far as like opening up additional permissions for other people to manage that answer your question Tommy yeah that’s no I think there’s the documentation talks about like the centralized or decentralized management MH and I I think you’re right like this goes back to me the Coe this goes back to the that the larger conversation on how this is delegated top down and I think this is this is a movie this is a sliding scale too in the beginning phases of powerbi usually a

42:42 beginning phases of powerbi usually a lot of this stuff is already centralized it’s a very centralized team it’s it’s a it’s a small team it’s two or three people there’s maybe one and this is also happens too I I find this a lot when I work with with people in companies the people that I invest in the people that I work with to train around things of powerbi they have a natural progression and I’ve seen this occur multiple times in multiple businesses when you learn powerbi you become an expert in it the expert finds value the value is then distributed to

43:14 value the value is then distributed to other people in the team you get more responsibility you continue to grow and what happens is those initial very passionate I call them powerbi Champions

43:23 passionate I call them powerbi Champions they get promoted or they move into roles that are more interesting to them where they do more management around powerbi so they actually become your first layer of initially it was one person only managing everything that person gets promoted into position where they get a different boss they they move up a level they’re now owning the entirety of powerbi the ecosystem and now other people are trying to be educated around what’s what it’s doing how to use it so there’s this natural progression and I’ve seen many people change careers I’ve even told people

43:53 change careers I’ve even told people you’ve outgrown your company you you have more the company culture the data culture in this company is not allowing you to be successful in powerbi because they’re not having the right kinds of conversation around governance deployment Administration and rolling it out you’ve basically outgrown them you need to go find a different company that has a better data culture I yeah I want to touch on the the that organic growth that you’re talking about because I I think it’s I don’t want to say not as easy as that but because of turning on

44:24 easy as that but because of turning on and off features and one of the big Parts in the documentation talks about common questions asked by confused and frustrated users why can’t I create a workpace why can’t I export data why can’t I certify a data set and I think yes absolutely that happens at organizations but it’s not a guarantee if you don’t allow for certain features to be enabled or depending on the data culture but also depending on systems that are enabled because you want that to what Mike exactly said you

44:55 want that to what Mike exactly said you want that at organizations to have that organic growth of organic of people learning on their own having their own skill set grown where they’re not either like hey you’re going to be a powerbi person now we want this to be organic we want people to find out but that’s not a guarantee just because you turn on powerbi so what’s the balance then if you have a lot of features turned off and you want this organic growth to in a sense Foster that environment but again we’re turning off a lot of

45:26 but again we’re turning off a lot of things so how do we balance the two well I think first one is education first and foremost if you’re turning off a lot of stuff you need so in any circumstance here whether it’s a teams channel that you’re chatting across whether it’s a SharePoint site it’s a Confluence page I don’t think what it is it doesn’t matter what it is everyone needs a central place to put down information and details about what’s going on and I do think as a as a centralized team again it’s starting it usually starts as one person but it grows typically to more

45:56 person but it grows typically to more people as the thing becomes more adopted you need to have a place where you’re saying here are the key settings we’ve turned on or off here are our key policies and for for everything you’re turning off you need to at least describe like for example published the web is a good one because it’s a very everyone I think is very black or white on this topic turn it off or have it only on for a sub selection of groups whatever that policy is as you agree upon the organization you need to document hey there’s this feature called published a web we have turned it off

46:27 published a web we have turned it off for this reason ding ding ding ding ding done then no one asks for it and when someone says hey I can’t use this I can’t find this feature published to web you can literally Point them to the URL or the link that says here’s that feature here’s the setting here’s what we’ve determined as an organization as to why it’s on or off now if you want to keep published web on you need to have a policy in place that says okay to get this feature you need to do this this and this like for example workspace is another one I can’t create

46:57 another one I can’t create workspaces yes that’s by Design but here’s what we need you to go through in order to delegate that permission to you you need to go through this training you understand how our company is expected to share data and what the responsibilities of that look like so that way when I do hand you a workspace or I do let you create them we have a policy around hey this workspace hasn’t had any data set refreshes in the last or semantic refresh semantic model refreshes in the last six months we’re going to we’re going to mark your workspace for deletion like we’re going

47:27 workspace for deletion like we’re going to get rid of stuff we just we can’t think of everything just being created and nothing ever getting turned off that’s not a good idea we have to plan the full life cycle so there there has to be some more planning around those particular tenant settings document what your decision is and document how you get access or if you’re not going to give access at all does that make sense yeah so I without that touch point I think you lose a lot of the organization and they just get frustrated why can’t I export data yeah I think what what you’re pointing out

47:58 I think what what you’re pointing out Mike is it’s important to go through the exercise for all the tenant settings yes and and and I would I would look at it in a different way Tommy not necessarily like well if we’re going to apply all these tenant settings like what we’re going to kill the user experience like no I like I think you’re viewing those tenant settings in the mind that you want people in the organization to use be able to and grow without getting themselves in trouble what are the things that are going to get them eles in trouble those are those are going to be the call outs that hey

48:30 are going to be the call outs that hey here’s here’s powerbi here’s the things that you automatically have access to here’s our Central document that says you can have access to these five other things all that requires you to do is submit this thing or go through this whatever because we need you to understand how to you use that object within the system that’s fair like you’re giving them a path to success I think what’s important here is you don’t just say hey we have system oversight we’ve made these decisions and then not communicate anything and I think yeah

49:00 communicate anything and I think yeah and I want to take potentially a different angle here I know the the question on what do you turn on and off or what do you enable or not if you have an organization pretty already utilizing it I am more and more on the the process or the project of cross communication if you have Champions we’ve had a podcast episode on identifying Champions identifying people who are already in the week the week and if you’re not getting communication from them on what’s being what’s

49:30 from them on what’s being what’s frustrating and what’s not working I don’t think you’re going to have an effective form of system oversight another thing I love from the documentation is hey if you’re seeing something that you don’t want to happen don’t resist the urge just to turn it off like if you’re seeing a lot of data exports happen that doesn’t mean oh we need to turn it off because that’s not what we want well before disabling it well why is that occurring and you need to hear from the trenches you need to hear from your Champions and your leaders in the area well why is that

50:01 leaders in the area well why is that occurring is there something that we need to redesign is there data that’s not available for the power users or the powerbi authors that’s not allowing them to do so without having and I don’t want to call them beta testers but I do at the same time too is having these people we’ve identified who are in the trenches who are the people I trust who are not administrators they’re not may not even necessarily be workspace owners or admins but they are the people who are creating the most reports getting the most shares people

50:32 reports getting the most shares people they’re the powerbi gurus who I am going to promote in some way where they’re going to beta test items and I’m going to hear from them I’m going to hear what are they frustrated with what are they enjoying what do they need because at the end of the day what I’m turning off and on yes needs to come from the governance and committee but at the same time needs to come from that user experience if we’re exporting data at at an abnormal rate it’s because we don’t have access to Something in Fabric or we

51:02 have access to Something in Fabric or we there’s a we don’t have access to create composite models well that might be something we want to turn on because that’s what the US the organization needs there’s a lot of non-negotiable features like published to web for most organizations that we’re just not going to turn on but I think there’s a lot of other ones that that’s part of the data culture that’s part of how the organization has their process I’m all for beta testing group of users allowing them to try features out but more importantly hearing from them on a consistent basis on what is working and

51:34 consistent basis on what is working and what’s not working and have that as a very hard a very weighted part of my decision making from an admin point of view yeah I would 100% agree with that like if there’s if there’s anything that should be just a standard tagline and talk to the business right it’s everything in business intelligence right like we’re actively either helping them or hindering them and with data right so the the idea that this is an oversight committee that just sits in

52:05 oversight committee that just sits in the background and makes these decisions is not the best way to approach and I think like the the two different things you outline are if you’re in a scenario where you’re just launching powerbi like in a formal scale throughout an organization the conversation is pretty much easier right like you you can you can rip through you can take the experts you can Define the same things we talked about here’s the ton settings that we’re allowing you to do here’s what’s on by default here’s how you get to tier two what you’re proposing is like this stuff

52:35 what you’re proposing is like this stuff is already in the wild now we want to get our heads around it that probably requires much more upfront conversations if people are using some of the features right with the data stewards or the people that are owners of data systems and Reporting because you want to implement what you’re implying is you’re you want to implement some settings that aren’t there but yeah it should always be a balance of between like if there’s a particular need great okay that’s a subset of people we can stick them in this bucket they still have access the

53:05 this bucket they still have access the rest of the organization doesn’t right but but I agree with your overall tone and and point which is regardless of you and and point which is regardless of how much monitoring we’re doing know how much monitoring we’re doing within system oversight changes we’re going to make things were going to disable because of actions whatever happen is happening in the system like it always requires communication with the business unit right like it totally back and forth just has to be a natural part of the systems that you’re creating and the administration oversight that

53:35 and the administration oversight that you’re you’re providing well and I’ll carry it further you’re the power behind the wild or already existing compared to one you’re launching there’s a very high chance that if you just launch that again I think you need to identify those people even if you’re just launching power vi2 because then it’s like a chicken in the egg because how are you going to people if they don’t exist yet one gripe I have with the documentation thus far is I think it like it in terms of the capacity management in usage it only

54:06 the capacity management in usage it only vaguely or briefly touches out fabric capacities which is interesting

54:12 capacities which is interesting because it’s this balance back and forth between how does powerbi live in the fabric ecosystem but if you’re going to change my overall administrator to fabric administrator then I I think the fabric capacity the SKS and things should be much more part of the conversation within here even though it is is powerbi like I don’t know it was just something I noticed and I was like well if it’s not here do I is there some other fabric BL where it’s like talk about fabric administrators and this is where we talk about the fcq and

54:44 this is where we talk about the fcq and and things like that I think that I think that’s partly because it’s kind I’m not going to hold them at fault mean I’m not going to hold them at fault because of this just because I think it’s so new around this whole fabric Thing in general I think people are still trying to get their head around even still like if you look at the story around the administration in PBI is not very strong from the Microsoft team you can clearly tell they’re focused on we want to build things that are impactful for the business we want people to use the program admitting and Reporting and all this is all stuff that doesn’t drive

55:15 this is all stuff that doesn’t drive adoption like if you think about the these things that we’re talking about if anything slows down or hinders adoption yeah so to have these things in place like Microsoft is focusing on again I agree with them like I think it’s the right direction let’s focus on making the best product that’s usable to the business and what we find and what I find is a lot of the administration pieces of this are just like thrown by the wayside like they give it to you but it’s not like a very refined experience so I think there’s definitely a learning curve with like how to do

55:45 a learning curve with like how to do this well so that you can get value out of the data that’s being produced from Microsoft they just haven’t done a good job of this they don’t and they’re not why why would you emphasize if I again if I have to your point Tommy we do the if I had $100 I love right it’s the same thing Microsoft is like look I’ve got $100 I’m going to figure out where I’m going to put people right I’m going to put a a portion of my money towards new visual development updates like the visual team I’m going to put money towards building new fabric features I’m

56:16 towards building new fabric features I’m going to put money towards fixing bugs how many dollars are they thinking about spending 51 a dollar around just the administration side of things that’s probably not a very big team relative to everything else they’re trying to build at the same time and more importantly the automation I I think may this may be a hot take but I don’t think a a large organization can survive without utilizing the rest apis there’s the there’s a a block there about what you can do with it and if you’re a large organization or even a midsize

56:47 large organization or even a midsize organization I don’t think you can be entirely successful without utilizing that in part of your workflow and not just the activity level I would argue differently there you have a very centralized mentality around how you like to govern powerbi which is not wrong it’s it’s just it’s just a way it’s just a different way of thinking I think there are other organizations who have taken very much a bottom up a bottomup approach like I’ve seen organization and and that is very much the decision of the organization yeah but I would I would also argue a lot of organizations have said look just here’s

57:19 organizations have said look just here’s powerbi I’m everyone’s got an e365 go have at it what happens is you might not be doing thing in the things in the most optimized way but people are finding value people do find Solutions people do learn what’s going on there so even if you have that bottomup Approach at the end of the day you’re you’re adding value to the business you’re giving them capabilities that they’ ever had before however it’s probably going to be a bit more expensive than if you started to try to centralize things and actually do things in an optimized way a bit there’s

57:51 things in an optimized way a bit there’s going to be extra P there’s going to be extra premium SKS laying around that to be there right so so this is this is I don’t know in the same way that we talk about it and business I think this this is a direct example of like why an organization would want to put some thought in around in oversight and governance and understanding of what’s going on in organization because 100% you’re right who interacts and builds powerbi Solutions without any oversight business people yep right and that’s okay value is there but there’s

58:21 that’s okay value is there but there’s going to be a threshold by which you are starting to hit technical limit and that costs money right and then the dollars start going ch- ching ching P1 for you P1 for you P1 for you and it’s like whoa whoa how are we spending this much money on powerbi where I think it’s important that we put some oversight over this it’s like yes some forth thinking and and thought around how you want to structure the wild west of of allowing people to do whatever versus

58:52 allowing people to do whatever versus optimally using Technologies it it becomes a big deal at some point so just start there instead don’t be a blocker like this isn’t it control everything this is enable the business to to operate in the way that business needs to with some guidance and guard rails y that’s it and I and I think this changes again this is never a single wherever you’re at on governance is just a starting point there’s usually more you learn more things the tool is going

59:22 you learn more things the tool is going to continue to change the technolog is going to evolve your people will evolve your process will need to also evolve so you need to start thinking about where we start from and have a plan this is a this is I think this is one of our future episodes or past episodes I can’t remember anymore because we’re recording things but this is think of your powerbi environment as a project as opposed to a product right it’s going to continually evolve over time it’s not going to be this oneandone

59:53 time it’s not going to be this oneandone thing it’s it’s not it’s going to be this and this is why this is why I think we’re in this space and why we love it we have we have done something we just the three of us we have invested time into something that we know is evolving and changing and people need help with it the fact that we’re doing that is we’re growing ourselves we’re growing organizations and it’s going to I see the the excitement from this is there’s so many net new things that can be developed this is like an untapped world of new ideas and Concepts and that really invigorates me to keep learning and be a

60:25 invigorates me to keep learning and be a lifelong learner around this stuff A Whole New World there we go I love it good good good good wrap up mik excellent so let’s do final thoughts here quick final thoughts before we wrap the episode Tommy give us your final thoughts on this conversation I planning is essential the more all the things we’re talking about today can be very overwhelming but if you don’t have the effective planning in place with the right people in that planning this is going to be overwhelming from the start and it’s going to continue to be plan

60:56 and it’s going to continue to be plan out how does this look plan this with your Coe plan this with how this looks with adoption you’ll have a grasp on it Seth what do you think what what are your final thoughts I I Echo those same things right like system oversight having going through the adoption framework here having a a plan and an understanding of some of the scope that’s going to come is going to save you your mental health down down the road because when when you open this up to the the organization or you start to implement these things within your

61:26 implement these things within your organization the volume of questions and people needing guidance are are going to come so if you didn’t pre-plan and have answers to the things that you can cover a broad swath in get ready for a rocky ride yeah I’m I think I’m gonna lean on just turn on premium for everyone just turn it all on P1 P1 final yeah everyone gets a P1 here every everyone gets a P1 I will say just start right it’s not

61:58 I will say just start right it’s not going to be perfect day one find people who are experts in this area have them help you learn and try and remove any initial potholes you may fall into but you just need to start you need to start working on management of this you need to think about what works for your organization I’d highly recommend Focus your efforts initially on an executive sponsor who understands your vision focus on a center of excellence a team of people that are going to if it starts as one person fine if it start two people no problem start

62:28 if it start two people no problem start small and grow from there take what you’re learning and Implement across your organization and by all means whatever you’re learning document it put it somewhere in a centralized Place build a team Channel build a SharePoint page start putting that knowledge you’re learning down in some common area because that adds more clout to your career it adds more clout to what you’re doing and you it will evolve over time it doesn’t have to be perfect day one figure out where you you are and grow a little bit more each day excellent with that we really thank you for the

62:58 that we really thank you for the conversation chat has been amazing there’s been so many great comments here so thank you chat for jumping in and adding to the conversation today this was wonderful we really appreciate it this is what day is today Thursday Tuesday Tuesday good I I wasna say something I and I I don’t need to say it now so we’re good to go with that we really appreciate your listenership please share this podcast with somebody else if you found this conversation or topic valuable and I know for admin stuff this is extremely valuable because nobody’s talking about this in the space

63:29 nobody’s talking about this in the space everyone’s talking about these little tiny like oh I’m going to govern this this is an a huge strategic conversation around here around what we should be really focusing on so please share with somebody else let them know you like this information and hopefully they’ll get some out of it too Tommy where else can you find the podcast you find us in apple Spotify or wherever get your podcast make sure to subscribe and leave a rating I actually checked it out yesterday we have 25 ratings on on Apple all five stars thank you so much it helps us out a ton more ratings more

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64:29 know I always knew Tommy you’re full of hot hot air thank you all very much appreciate it have a great week and we’ll see you on

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